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MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS
CALLED AS A WITNESS BY AND ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE, HAVING
BEEN PREVIOUSLY DULY SWORN, WAS EXAMINED AND TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS:
MR WALGREN: THE PEOPLE CALL MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS
THE COURT: (MAW SAME INSTRUCTIONS AS ALL WITNESSES GIVEN)
(ATTORNEY MR. CARL DOUGLAS REPRESENTING MAW)
DIRECT EXAMINATION
MR WALGREN:
Q: MR. WILLIAMS WERE YOU EMPLOYED IN JUNE 09
A: I WORKED FOR MICHAEL JACKSON
Q: HOW LONG WERE YOU EMPLOYED BY MICHAEL JACKSON
A: A LITTLE OVER A TWO YEARS
Q: WHAT WAS YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES,
A: A PERSONAL ASSISTANT, HIRING IMMEDIATE STAFF, ARRANGING DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, ANSWERING CALLS, ANYTHING, PICK UP POP CORN.
Q: YOU WERE VERY CLOSE TO MJ
A: SPOKE TO HIM THROUGHOUT THE DAY
Q: ??
A: I SPOKE TO HIM ALMOST EVERY DAY, SEVERAL TIMES A DAY
Q: WAS THERE SECURITY AT THE 100 N CAROLWOOD DRIVE?
A: YES
Q: CAN YOU DESCRIBE?
A: TWO MEN 24 HURS, SHIFTS WOULD CHANGE, THEIR JOB WAS TO JUST OPEN GATES, CONTROL WHO COMES INTO THE PROPERTY
Q: WAS THERE DIFFERENT SECURITY WHEN MICHAEL WAS TRAVELLING
A: AS NEEDED. DEPENDING WHERE HE WENT, WE WOULD DO A SECURITY AS FAR AS TO FIT THAT CERTAIN PLACE WE WERE GOING.
Q: WOULD YOU WORK WITH SECURITY TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT MICHAEL WANTED DOING, OR NOT DOING
A: YES, HE HAD MANY SECURITY IN THE PAST, HE WANTED ME TO BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN SECURITY, HE WOULD TALK TO ME, AND ME TO THEM
MR WALGREN: PHOTO NUMBER 1. IS AERIAL PHOTO OF CAROLWOOD, PEOPLES EXHIBIT 1, DEFENSE HAS THESE PHOTOS.
Q: CAN YOU SEE THIS PHOTO
A: YES
Q: IS IT AERIAL OF MICHAELS RESIDENCE
A: YES
Q: QUESTIONS TO THE LAYOUT,
(LASER IS POINTED AT PICTURE ON SCREEN ON THE WALL)
Q: DO YOU SEE THE FRONT DOOR OF THE RESIDENCE
A: YES
Q: THAT LARGE RECTANGLE AREA IN THE CENTER
A: YES
Q: DO YOU SEE THE SECURITY HEAD QUARTERS
A: YES I WILL POINT TO IT
Q: LARGE AREA APPEARS TO BE WHITE RECTANGLE, IN THE DRIVEWAY AREA
A: YES SIR
Q: I HAVE CLOSE UP PHOTOS UP OF DOOR, EXHIBIT 2. AND SECURITY TRAILER EXHIBIT 3.
A: YES THAT IS
Q: YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE GLASS DOOR
A: YES
Q: EXHIBIT 3, DOES THAT SHOW THE WHITE SECURITY TRAILER
A: YES
Q: WERE YOU INVOLVED IN ARRANGEMENTS FOR REHEARSALS AT THE STAPLE CENTER
A: YES
Q: WAS THERE A PATTERN IN REGARDS TO ARRANGING SECURITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE
A: I WOULD PRETTY MUCH CALL KENNY OR HIS ASSISTANT JAMES SECURITY WAS PRETTY EASY
Q: KENNY?
A: KENNY ORTEGA, TO FIND OUT WHAT TIME WE SHOULD BE THERE,, THEN SECURITY WOULD SET UP WHERE WE SHOULD ENTER AND LEAVE
Q: WERE YOU ALSO INTRODUCED TO MURRAY PRIOR TO JUNE 25TH 09
A: YES
Q: DO YOU SEE DR MURRAY
A: YES, IN THE BLACK SUIT
THE COURT: INDICATING DEFENDANT. DR, MURRAY
MR WALGREN:
Q: WHEN DID YOU MEET DR. MURRAY
A: I KNEW OF HIM IN 07 BUT MET HIM IN EARLY 08
Q: WAS IT IN VEGAS YOU MET HIM IN 08
A: YES
Q: WAS MICHAEL LIVING IN VEGAS AT THAT TIME
A: YES
Q: WERE YOU HIS PERSONAL ASSISTANT IN VEGAS
A: YES
Q: DID YOU FREQUENTLY SEE DR MURRAY THREE MONTHS PRIOR TO JUNE 25TH 09
A: YES
Q: WHERE DID YOU SEE HIM
A: AT THE HOUSE
Q: 100N CAROLWOOD
A: YES
Q: WHAT WAS HIS PATTERS, ARRIVING DEPARTING?
A: HE HAD A REGULAR PATTEN, HE WOULD COME IN IF WE WERE AT STAPLES CENTER, OR AT NIGHT AND STAY THE NIGHT
Q: DID YOU RECOGNIZE HIS VEHICLE
A: YES
Q: DID YOU MAKE SURE DR. MURRAY WAS EITHER ON HIS WAY OR AT THE HOME AFTER EACH REHEARSALS
A: I WOULD CALL HIM OR MICHAEL WOULD USE HIS OWN PHONE TO CALL HIM, IF HE COULD NOT BE REACHED I WOULD CALL HIM, HE WANTED TO KNOW WAS HE THERE
Q: MICHAEL
A: YES,
MR WALGREN: EXHIBIT 4 AND 5, TWO PHOTOS OF THE CAR PARKED FROM DIFFERENT ANGELS AT CAROLWOOD
Q: SHOWING YOU PEOPLES 4 AND 5 DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS VEHICLE
A: YES, DR. MURRAYS CAR
Q: BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURE TO GET MICHAEL TO THE STAPLES CENTER , THEN BACK
A: OKAY. WE FIND OUT WHAT TIME IT IS. I’LL CALL MR. JACKSON, LET HIM KNOW WE SHOULD BE LEAVING IN 30 MINUTES, AN HOUR OR SO, AND WE WOULD HEAD OVER THERE. WE WOULD HAVE ONE ADVANCE CAR TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS SET UP. I’M USUALLY DRIVING WITH MR. JACKSON OR SOMETIMES I MAY GO IN THE VAN DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, WE WOULD GO THERE. USUALLY BE FANS THERE GREETING US WHEN WE ARRIVED OUTSIDE.
Q: AT THE STAPLES CENTER?
A: YES, HE WOULD ALWAYS STOP AND SAY HI TO ALL HIS FANS, THEN WE WOULD GO INSIDE, IT WOULD BE A LONG NIGHT
Q: WHILE MICHAEL WAS REHEARSING WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
A: I WAS A FAN, SO I WOULD WATCH. I WOULD SNEAK SOME PEEKS IF HE DIDN’T HAVE ME DOING SOMETHING OR GOING TO GET SOMETHING. I WOULD TRY. I PRETTY MUCH SEEN HIM ON STAGE. FROM THE STAGE, HE WOULD GO BACK TO HIS ROOM, BACK AND FORTH. I WOULD ACCOMPANY HIM, WALK HIM. IF HE NEEDED WATER, NEEDED ANYTHING THAT WAS MY JOB.
Q: WHAT THE PROCEDURE YOU WOULD FOLLOW,
A: THE NORMAL PROCEDURE WHEN WE WERE WRAPPING UP, GET THE VEHICLES WARMED UP. HE USUALLY HAD A LOT OF STUFF TO TAKE WITH HIM FROM PAPERWORK FROM THE TOUR, GIFTS, TAKE IT TO HIS CAR, HIS BAGS, EVERYTHING. WE WOULD DRIVE OUT. USUALLY FANS THERE AGAIN TO GREET US. SAME THING. MAKE SURE WE STOP, SAY HI. SOMETIMES SHAKE HANDS. TELL EVERYONE HE LOVED THEM. THEN WE WILL DRIVE BACK. IT WILL BE A CAR GOING IN ADVANCE AHEAD, OF COURSE, MAKING SURE THEY ARE THERE FOR HIS ARRIVAL. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE PROPERTY, THE SAME FANS BEAT US THERE, AND WE STOP AND WE DO THE SAME THING. SOMETIMES GIVE GIFTS, HAVE US ACCEPT THOSE, AND WE WILL DRIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
Q: WAS THERE A PROCEDURE YOU FOLLOWED ONCE YOU WERE ON THE PROPERTY?
A: MR. JACKSON WOULD GO INSIDE. MYSELF AND SECURITY, USUALLY JUST ALBERTO, WOULD TRANSPORT EVERYTHING OF HIS POSSESSIONS THAT HE GOT FROM THAT DAY IN THE VEHICLE WE WOULD PLACE EVERYTHING ON THE STAIRCASE IN HIS HOME. SAY GOODNIGHT, SAY GREAT JOB. HE WOULD THANK US, SAY LOVE, HIS NORMAL THING, AND WE WOULD LEAVE. WE WILL LEAVE FROM HIS HOUSE.
Q: IN THIS TWO MONTH PERIOD WHEN WOULD YOU TYPICALLY RETURN FROM REHEARSALS WOULD YOU SEE DR. MURRAYS CAR THERE
A: YES, IT WAS VERY NORMAL,
Q: DID YOU SEE IT THE FOLLOWING MORNING
A: SOMETIMES DEPENDING WHAT TIME I GOT IN, BUT IT HAD BEEN OCCASIONS I GOT THERE AND HE WAS THERE. THE CHEF WOULD TELL ME SHE BROUGHT UP FOOD TO HIM. IT WAS NORMAL.
Q: FOR THE NEXT DAY
A: YES
Q: REGARDING THE ENTRY WAY, I HAVE PHOTO, PEOPLES 6< EXHIBIT NO. 6. DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SEE
A: WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE. THIS IS THE STAIR CASE WE WOULD PLACE THINGS THERE, , PRINCE, HOUSEKEEP OR MICHAEL WOULD TAKE IT UP,
Q: IF YOU WALK IN THOSE GLASS DOORS EXHIBIT 2. WOULD THIS BE LOOKING DIRECTLY IN FROM THOSE DOORS
A: CORRECT,
Q: THIS GENERAL AREA IS THE VANTAGE POINT AS YOU LOOK IN THEN THE STAIRWAY YOU REFERENCED ON THE LEFT
A: CORRECT
Q: WERE YOU INVOLVED IN MAKING ARRANGEMENTS AND TRANSPORTING MICHAEL ON JUNE 24TH
A: CORRECT
Q: WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE CAROLWOOD TO GO TO STAPLES
A: AROUND 6 OR MAYBE 7 O’CLOCK
Q: DID YOU DRIVE WITH MICHAEL
A: YES, I SAT IN THE FRONT SEAT, MICHAEL WAS BEHIND, WE HAD A DRIVER
Q: WHO WAS THE DRIVER
A:
Q: WAS ANYONE ELSE IN THE CAR
A: NO
Q: WHAT WAS MICHAELS SPIRIT AND DEMEANOR
A: HE HAD A GREAT SPIRIT THAT EVENING. I BELIEVE WE WERE RUNNING, A LITTLE LATE. HE JUST WANTED TO — TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THERE. HE WAS VERY PUNCTUAL. HE LIKED TO BE PUNCTUAL. HE MADE SURE IF HE CAN, HE WOULD LIKE TO BE ON TIME. SO IT WAS JUST MAKE SURE HE GETS THERE ON TIME, BUT HE HAD GOOD SPIRITS
Q: AND MICHAEL WOULD TELL YOU HE WAS COLD DURING THESE REHEARSALS
A: HE WOULD ASK ME FOR A HEATER. ONE TIME FAHEEM TOLD ME HE RUBBED HIS FEEL ONE TIME, NOW YOU MENTION IT, HE WAS REALLY COLD
Q: DID YOU OBSERVE THE REHEARSALS
A:YES
Q: DESCRIBE THAT
A: I THINK SOME OF THE FOOTAGE IS ON THE “THIS IS IT,” BUT IT WAS HIM DANCING, HIM SINGING, AND MYSELF JUST BEING ABLE TO WITNESS THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER SEEING HIM PERFORM. I THOUGHT IT WAS EXTRAORDINARY PERSONALLY. BUT HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY, “OH, BROTHER MICHAEL, IT’S JUST 30, 40 PERCENT. I DON’T GO A HUNDRED UNTIL THE SHOW TIME.” BUT I THOUGHT PERSONALLY IT WAS GREAT.
Q: HOW LONG WAS DID MICHAEL REHEAR ON THE 24TH
A: PRETTY LATE, CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT OR PAST MIDNIGHT
Q: DID YOU FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE TO GO HOME
A: YES
Q: SAME VEHICLE FAHEEM DRIVING
A: YES
Q: DID YOU DRIVE STRAIGHT BACK TO CAROLWOOD
A: YES
Q: WHAT DID YOU OBSERVE WHEN YOU GOT TO THE FRONT GATE
A: WE HAD SECURITY OUTSIDE THE GATES BECAUSE FANS WERE THERE, MADE SURE WE STOPPED TOLD THE FANS HE LOVES THEM, MAYBE A FEW GIFTS, THEN WE DROVE INTO THE PROPERTY
Q: DDI YOU SEE MURRAYS CAR WHEN YOU DROVE IN
A: YES, I DID
Q: WAS IT PARKED AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT 4
A: YES SIR
Q: DID YOU CARRY THINGS INTO THE HOUSE, TAKE MICHAEL IN
A: YES, SAME PROCEDURE, TOOK EVERYTHING TO THE STAIRS, HE SAID GOOD NIGHT, WE WENT INTO THE TRAILER, DEBRIEFED, IT WAS LATE, WE HAD TO DO IT AGAIN NEXT DAY. WE KIND OF JUST, EVERYONE WENT THEIR OWN WAY AND WENT HOME
Q: DEBRIEFED, WAS THAT SECURITY DETAIL
A: YES, IT IS SECURITY
WE WOULD JUST GO OVER WHAT WAS RIGHT, OR WRONG, ANY QUESTIONS, JUST SECURITY STUFF THEN I LEFT.
Q: THEN YOU RETURNED
A: CORRECT
Q: BACK ON DUTY 25TH 2009
A: YES
Q: PRIOR TO RETURNING DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL
A: YES,
Q: WHAT TIME WAS THAT CALL
A: I HAD A MISSED CALL AT 12:13
Q: DID YOU SEE THE TIME STAMP
A: YES
Q: WAS THERE A VOICE MAIL
A: YES
Q: DID YOU LISTEN TO THE VOICEMAIL
A: YES
Q: WHOSE VOICE WAS IT
A: DR MURRAY
Q: WHAT DID IT SAY
A: IT WAS A FRANTIC VOICEMAIL. THE VOICE WAS VERY FRANTIC. HE WAS SAYING, “CALL ME RIGHT AWAY. HURRY. CALL ME. CALL ME RIGHT AWAY.” TO THAT EFFECT.
Q: DID HAVE AN IPHONE AT THE TIME
A: YES
Q: TO DOCUMENT THE RECEIPT OF THIS VOICEMAIL AND THE TIME STAMP AND FROM WHOM THE MESSAGE WAS LEFT, DID YOU MAKE A VIDEO OF YOU ACTUALLY MANIPULATING YOUR PHONE?
A: I WAS ADVISED TO SAVE IT IN ALL TYPE FORMS, SO I RECORDED THE VOICEMAIL AND TOOK A PICTURE OF THE PHONE AND WHATEVER I HAD TO DO.
MR. WALGREN: YOUR HONOR, I HAVE TWO STILL PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN FROM A VIDEO THAT WERE PROVIDED TO DEFENSE COUNSEL PREVIOUSLY. MAY THESE BE MARKED PEOPLE’S, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, 7 AND 8, YOUR HONOR.
FIRST ONE IS THE FACE OF THE IPHONE. MARKED PEOPLES 7,
SECOND SHOWS TIME AND DR. MURRAYS NUMBER
Q: DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE STILL PHOTO YOU TOOK
A: YES
Q: DOES THAT REFLECT THE SEQUENCE OF VIDEO SHOWING JUNE 25TH, DR. MURRAY ALONG WITH HIS LISTED NUMBER
A: YES
Q: AFTER YOU RECEIVED THIS FRANTIC VOICEMAIL, WHAT DID YOU DO
A: I IMMEDIATELY CALLED HIM BACK, I BELIEVE IT WAS 12:15
Q: YOU CALLED DR. MURRAY DIRECTLY
A: DID YOU SPEAK TO HIM
A: YES
Q: WHAT DID HE SAY
A: HE ASKED, YOU KNOW, “WHERE ARE YOU?” I SAID, “I’M AT HOME IN DOWNTOWN.” HE SAID, “GET HERE RIGHT AWAY. MR. JACKSON HAD A BAD REACTION. HE HAD A BAD REACTION. GET SOMEONE UP HERE,” AND IT WAS JUST NOT –THAT’S WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME.
Q: DID HE ASK YOU TO CALL 911
A: NO
Q: HOW DID HE SOUND
A: LIKE SOMETHING WAS GOING ON. LIKE JUST, I GUESS, FRANTIC IS THE WORD I KEEP SAYING.
Q: WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER YOU CALLED MURRAY
A: I CALLED FAHEEM
Q: FAHEEM
A: HE IS USUALLY ALWAYS THERE, MICHAEL FELT COMFORTABLE WITH HIM, MICHAEL DRIVER
Q: WHEN YOU SAY THERE, YOU MEAN AT CAROLWOOD?
A: YES
Q: WHAT HAPPENED
A: I ASKED, I SAID, “WHERE ARE YOU?” HE SAID, “I JUST LEFT THE PROPERTY. I WENT TO THE BANK.” I SAID, “TURN AROUND.” HE SAID, “WHAT IS GOING ON?” I SAID, “I DON’T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING. GET BACK RIGHT AWAY.” AND WE HUNG UP.
Q: THEN WHAT HAPPENED
A: I IMMEDIATELY CALLED ALBERTO ALVAREZ SOMEONE ELSE WHO I KNOW IS TRUSTED. I KNOW THAT IS THE NEXT PERSON I WOULD CALL. WAS IN THE TRAILER. I FIRST ASKED HIM, “WHERE ARE YOU?” HE SAID, “I’M IN THE TRAILER.” I SAID, “I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, BUT GET BACK TO THE FRONT DOOR. HE SAID, “OKAY.” SO I WAS HOLDING. I SAID, “ARE YOU WALKING? OKAY, WALK FASTER.” HE STARTS, I GUESS, RUNNING. AND HE SAYS, “OKAY. I’M AT THE FRONT DOOR. I SEE THE NANNY. SHE IS OPENING THE DOOR .”HE WALKS INSIDE THE PROPERTY. I HEAR DR.MURRAY’S VOICE. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT IS GOING ON, THEN MY PHONE CUTS OFF AND ALBERTO HANGS UP ON ME.
Q: YOU HEAR DR MURRAYS VOICE, WHAT WAS HE SAYING
A: I DON’T KNOW
Q: WHERE WERE YOU
A: I THREW SOME STUFF ON, WALKING TO THE CAR, BUT WAS TRYING TO CALL BACK THE WHOLE TIME, BUT ON MY WAY TO CAROLWOOD
Q: FROM DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES
A: YES
Q: WHAT DID YOU SEE ONCE YOU GOT THERE
A: PEOPLE OUTSIDE, AMBULANCE, I PULLED INTO THE PROPERTY
Q: DID YOU GO UPSTAIRS
A: NO
Q: WERE PEOPLE ALLOWED UPSTAIRS
A: NO , I WAS ALLOWED ON A NEED BASIS, TO FIX SOMETHING OR IF HE WANTED TO SHOW ME SOMETHING, BUT NO STAFF WERE ALLOWED TO JUST GO TO HIS ROOM, MAYBE HOUSEKEEPERS TO CLEAN,
Q: WHAT WAS GOING ON, WHAT DID YOU DO
A: I WENT TO LOOK FOR THE CHILDREN
Q: MICHAELS CHILDREN
A: YES THE THREE CHLDREN, THE PARAMEDICS WERE UPSTAIRS, I GOT THE CHLDREN AND PUT THEM IN THE CAR
Q: THIS IS PRINCE
A: PRINCE, PARIS AND BLANKET
Q: I PUT THEM IN THE ESCALADE, — IT HAPPENED SO FAST, I SAW THEM BRINING THE BED, I DON’T KNOW WHAT ITS CALLED, THE BED THEY HAD HIM IN IT
Q: BACK BOARD
A: PARDON ME, THE BACK BOARD COMING DOWN
Q: WHILE YOU WERE TENDING TO THE CHILDREN
A: I GET THEM IN THE CAR, THEN I TO WITH THEIR NANNY, ROSALIND, GO BACK INSIDE THEN I REMEMBER SEEING IT COME DOWN, AND SEEING DR. MURRAY. PARAMEDICS, IT WAS A HORRIBLE CRAZY EXPERIENCE, A LOT GOING ON
Q: WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE MURRAY ON THE 25TH, WAS IT WHEN HE CAME DOWN
A: WHEN HE CAME DOWN WITH BACK BOARD, THEY PUT HIM IN THE CAR, HE DIDN’T HAVE ON HIS SUIT, JUST IN REGULAR CLOTHES
Q: CAR, YOU MEAN AMBULANCE
A: YES, THEY PUT MICHAEL IN THE AMBULANCE
Q: MICHAEL IS ON THE GURNEY BEING BROUGHT DOWN THE STAIRS BY PARAMEDICS. DR. MURRAY IS WITH THEM OR NEARBY?
A: HE WAS THERE. I REMEMBER HIM. JUST IT WAS A
LOT OF MOTION GOING ON, PEOPLE MOVING. THE CHILDREN WERE IN THE VEHICLE, AND I GOT IN THE VEHICLE WITH THE CHILDREN AND WE FOLLOWED THE AMBULANCE. I BELIEVE DR.MURRAY RODE WITH THE AMBULANCE.
Q: DID YOU SEE DR MURRAY COME DOWN
A: YES
Q: WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU NOTICED
A: KIND OF A MESS, JUST SWEATING AND I KNEW SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT, SOMETHING HAPPENED
Q: AMBULANCE LEFT THE PROPERTY
A: CORRECT
Q: WHAT DID YOU DO
A: WE FOLLOWED THE AMBULANCE
Q: WHAT WAS THE DEMEANOR OF THE CHILDREN
A: YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN’T KNOW. WELL, AT THE TIME NONE OF US KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. I REMEMBER THINKING LIKE JUST I DIDN’T WANT THIS TO BE ON THE NEWS.
MR CHERNOFF: THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE, QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE CHILDREN
THE COURT: LAST ANSWER STRICKEN
MY WALGREN:
Q: THE DEMEANOR OF THE CHILDREN
A: THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON, SO THEY—IT WASN’T TOO BAD
Q: DID YOU FOLLOW TO THE UCLA HOSPITAL
A: YES
Q: WHAT WAS THE SCENE LIKE AT UCLA
A: CHAOS. PEOPLE FOLLOWING US. WE WENT THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. PEOPLE HAD CAMERAS AND WE KIND OF TRIED TO BLOCK THE CAMERAS. WE WERE THINKING, WE JUST DON’T WANT TO BE ON THE NEWS, , SO WE JUST TRIED TO DO WHAT WE COULD DO TO COVER UP.
Q: WERE YOU KIND OF DEALING WITH THE CHILDREN GETTING THEM IN AND OUT SAFELY?
A: AS SOON AS I GOT THERE THE CHILDREN STAYED IN THE VEHICLE, MR. JACKSON WENT INTO SOME ROOM .I WENT BACK, GOT THE CHILDREN, KIND OF COVERED THEIR FACES UP, AND WE TOOK THEM. THE HOSPITAL HAD A ROOM, EMPTY ROOM, SO THEM AND THEIR NANNY WENT AND SAT TO WAIT IN THERE. WE HAD ONE SECURITY GUARD STAND OUTSIDE THE DOOR
Q: THE NANNY, IS THAT ROSALIND MUHAMMAD?
A: ROSALIND,
Q: ONCE THE SECURITY WAS STATIONED, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
A: GO RIGHT BACK TO — IN FRONT OF WHERE MR. JACKSON’S BODY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WERE WORKING ON HIM. THERE IS A CURTAIN, AND I JUST SAT THERE AND I WENT TO THE BATHROOM BECAUSE I WAS CRYING. I HAD TO WASH MY FACE BETWEEN THERE AND PEOPLE STARTED COMING. SO MY MAIN PLACE WAS THERE.
Q: OUTSIDE THE EMERGENCY ROOM
A: IT WAS LIKE A CURTAIN, NOT A ROOM
Q: AT SOME POINT WAS MICHAEL PRONOUNCED DEAD
A: IT WAS A NURSE WHO KEPT — OR SOMEONE WORKING
IN THE HOSPITAL KEPT WALKING OUT AND JUST SHAKING HER HEAD. AND THEN FRANK DI LEO HAD GOT THERE, AND HE WAS ASKING, “WHAT IS GOING ON? WHAT’S HAPPENING?” AND SHE WAS JUST LIKE — THIS WAS PROBABLY TEN MINUTES AFTER WE GOT THERE. SHE WAS KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING, BUT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON. SHE WOULD WALK OUT SHAKING HER HEAD. WE WOULD JUST WAIT THERE .I REMEMBER AFTER A WHILE, DR. MURRAY WALKING OUT, DOCTORS WALKING OUT, AND JUST SAID, “HE’S DEAD.”
Q: NOW, FOLLOWING YOU BEING TOLD THAT MICHAEL HAD BEEN PRONOUNCED DEAD, WERE YOU PRESENT WHEN THE CHILDREN WERE ADVISED?
A: YES, SIR. I WAS.
Q: AND WHAT WAS THEIR REACTION?
A: I WALKED IN THERE WITH DR. MURRAY AND
FRANK DI LEO, I THINK FRANK BLURTED OUT. WELL, WE
WALKED IN THERE, AND THE CHILDREN, BLESS THEIR HEARTS,
THEY WERE SITTING THERE. AND PRINCE WAS SAYING, YOU
KNOW, “MAKE SURE YOU TELL THE DOCTOR THAT DADDY IS
ALLERGIC TO THIS AND THAT.”
AND I REMEMBER FRANK BLURTING OUT, “YOUR
DADDY HAD A HEART ATTACK AND DIED.” AND DR. MURRAY WAS LIKE, “NO, NO, NO. DON’T TELL THEM THAT. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.” AND PARIS — IT WAS NOT — IT WAS HORRIBLE.
Q: AT SOME POINT WHILE YOU ARE STILL AT UCLA AND AFTER YOU LEARNED OF THIS AND THE CHILDREN, OF COURSE, WERE ADVISED, DID DR. MURRAY APPROACH YOU AND MAKE A REQUEST OF YOU THAT YOU FOUND ODD?
A: YES
Q: WHERE WERE YOU WHEN DR. MURRAY APPROACHED YOU?
A: WE WAS IN THE HALLWAY. I CAN’T SAY WHICH HALLWAY, BUT I COULD KNOW TO THIS DAY IT WAS JUST IN THE HALLWAY. WE WERE BOTH CRYING, THE WHOLE ATMOSPHERE WAS JUST HORRIBLE.
Q: DID DR. MURRAY APPROACH YOU AT THAT TIME?
A: YES, SIR.
Q: WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID HE SAY?
A; WE WERE BOTH STANDING IN THE HALLWAY, AND HE WAS, “OH, BROTHER MICHAEL.” WE WAS JUST KIND OF SMALL
TALKING FOR A SECOND HOW HORRIBLE THIS IS. AND THEN HE ASKED ME A QUESTION. HE SAID, “BROTHER MICHAEL,” “MR. JACKSON HAS SOME CREAM IN HIS ROOM THAT I KNOW HE WOULDN’T WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW ABOUT IT.” HE SAID, “CAN YOU HAVE ONE OF THE GUYS GIVE ME A RIDE BACK TO THE HOUSE TO GET THE CREAM
Q: THAT STRUCK YOU AS ODD, WHY?
A: WELL, FIRST, HE JUST PASSED AND THAT IS THE LAST — I DON’T KNOW, IT WAS AN ODD QUESTION TO ASK TO GO GET SOME CREAM FROM THE HOUSE. FIRST OF ALL, I KNEW WE COULDN’T GO BACK TO THE HOUSE. I’M NOT A DETECTIVE, BUT I KNEW THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULDN’T DO. SO AFTER HE SAID THAT, I TOLD HIM, “ALL RIGHT. LET ME CHECK WITH ONE OF THE GUYS.” I WALK BACK TO FAHEEM. AND I SAY, “FAHEEM, DR. MURRAY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A CREAM AND WANTS TO GET BACK TO THE HOUSE.” AND I SAID, “YOU KNOW, WE CAN’T GIVE HIM A RIDE BACK TO THE HOUSE.” FAHEEM SAID, “NO, WE CAN’T GIVE HIM A RIDE BACK TO THE HOUSE.” FAHEEM IS LIKE, SO HE IS ,”OKAY, I’M NOT GIVING HIM A RIDE.” I SAID, “I’LL JUST TELL DR. MURRAY THAT THE POLICE TOOK OUR KEYS. “, FAHEEM IS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WOULD JUST SAY, “NO, I’M NOT TAKING YOU,” BUT I DON’T WANT TO BE MEAN. I DIDN’T KNOW. SO I JUST TOLD DR. MURRAY, WE CAN’T GO NOWHERE. THE POLICE HAVE OUR KEYS. THEN I REMEMBER HIM SAYING, “OH, OKAY.”
Q: LET ME STOP YOU.
A: I’M SORRY.
Q: THE STATEMENT THAT THE POLICE HAD YOUR
KEYS, IT WASN’T TRUE. DID
A: NO, IT WASN’T TRUE AT ALL. WE HAD OUR KEYS.
Q: YOU WERE SAYING THAT TO AVOID ANY CONFRONTATION?
A: YEAH. I DIDN’T WANT TO SAY, “NO,” .SO I TOLD HIM THAT THE POLICE HAD OUR KEYS. I FIRST NOTIFIED FAHEEM JUST IN CASE IF HE ASKED FAHEEM. I TOLD FAHEEM WHAT I WAS SAYING, FAHEEM SAID, “OKAY, WHATEVER.”
THE COURT: ONE MOMENT, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THE FULL QUESTION IS ASKED
MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS: YES, SIR.
MR. WALGREN:
Q~; AFTER YOU TOLD DR. MURRAY YOU DIDN’T HAVE KEYS AND YOU COULDN’T TAKE HIM ANYWHERE, DID HE THEN RE-APPROACH YOU SOMETIME THERE AFTER ASKING ABOUT GETTING FOOD?
A: YES, SIR. WHEN I WENT BACK AND TOLD HIM THAT WE COULDN’T TAKE HIM ANYWHERE, THEN I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT HE WANTED TO GET SOME FOOD. HE SAID HE HASN’T EATEN ALL NIGHT OR ALL DAY,
Q: AT THE TIME THAT DR. MURRAY IS ASKING YOU
FOR A RIDE TO GET SOME FOOD, ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME HAD
ELAPSED SINCE HE LEARNED MICHAEL JACKSON HAD BEEN
PRONOUNCED DEAD AT UCLA?
A TO BE HONEST, I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME.
BUT I DO RECALL THE FAMILY WAS THERE AND PEOPLE HAD
ARRIVED. PEOPLE WERE ARRIVING AT THAT TIME, SO IT WAS —
I CAN’T TELL YOU HONESTLY HOW LONG IT’S BEEN.
Q OKAY. CAN YOU ESTIMATE, OR DO YOU FEEL YOU CAN’T?
A I HONESTLY FEEL I CAN’T. THAT WHOLE TIME IS JUST —
Q AND WHEN HE SAID HE WAS HUNGRY AND WANTED
FOOD, DID YOU RESPOND IN ANY WAY?
A I HONESTLY DON’T REMEMBER MY RESPONSE. IT WAS LIKE, “OKAY,” YOU KNOW. “WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.”
Q IN RESPONSE TO THE TWO REQUESTS BY DR.MURRAY, DID YOU THEN CONTACT SECURITY AT THE RESIDENCE?
A WHEN I TOLD FAHEEM ABOUT THAT, THAT DR.MURRAY WANTED TO GO TO THE HOUSE, I MADE SURE FAHEEM
CALLED THE SECURITY WHO WAS AT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW IF THEY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME. I TOLD THEM, “MAKE SURE YOU LOCK IT DOWN. NO ONE IN. NO
ONE OUT, AND JUST WAIT FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTION,” JUST IN
CASE IF ANYONE TRIED TO COME TO THE PROPERTY.
Q AND FOLLOWING THESE COMMENTS OR REQUESTS BY DR. MURRAY, DID YOU EVER SEE HIM AGAIN THAT DAY?
A NO, SIR.
Q DID HE EVER APPROACH YOU TO SAY GOODBYE OR
TELL YOU WHERE HE COULD BE REACHED OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE?
A NO, SIR.
Q AT SOME POINT, YOU JUST NOTICED HE WAS GONE?
A WHEN THE DETECTIVES CAME AND KIND OF ASKED
HIS WHEREABOUTS, I JUST GAVE THEM HIS PHONE NUMBERS AND THEY COULDN’T FIND HIM AT THE HOSPITAL. I GAVE THEM HIS
PHONE NUMBERS. THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. MR. WALGREN: THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. NOTHING
FURTHER.
THE COURT: MR. WALGREN, THANK YOU.
MR. CHERNOFF, CROSS-EXAMINE, PLEASE.
MR. CHERNOFF: THANK YOU, JUDGE.
CROSS-EXAMINATION
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: MR. WILLIAMS, HOW ARE YOU?
A: I’M DOING OKAY. .
Q: NICE TO MEET YOU, FINALLY.
A: YES, SIR.
Q: MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS, IS THAT YOUR FULL NAME;
A: CORRECT.
Q: IS THAT WHAT NAME YOU WERE GIVEN WHEN YOU WERE BORN?
A: THAT IS MY BIRTH NAME.
Q: YOUR JOBS WAS TO COORDINATE WITH SECURITY
A: YES,
Q: YOU ACTUALLY DID MORE WITH SECURITY YOU WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE HIRING OF THE SECURITY,
A: YES,.
Q: THE SECURITY FIRM THAT WAS IN PLACE JUNE OF 2009, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE FIRM?
A: SECURITY MEASURES.
Q: AND SECURITY MEASURES WAS A COMPANY THAT WAS BASED IN L.A.?
A: CORRECT.
Q: WHO WERE THE SECURITY PEOPLE THAT WERE WORKING FOR SECURITY MEASURES IN JUNE? COULD YOU GIVE US A LIST OF NAMES?
A: I COULD NAME A FEW. I DIDN’T KNOW ALL OF THEM.
Q: WE HAD ALBERTO ALVAREZ?
A : CORRECT.
Q: WE HAD?
A: BUT THEY WEREN’T HIRED UNDER SECURITY MEASURES.
Q: WE WILL GET TO THAT.
A: OKAY.
Q: NAME SOME PEOPLE AND TELL ME WHO WAS HIRED UNDER SECURITY MEASURES. PATRICK?
A: YES, SIR.
Q: SECURITY MEASURES?
A: YES.
Q: ISAAC?
A: CORRECT.
Q: ISAAC’S LAST NAME?
A: ISAAC MUHAMMAD.
Q: LARRY TOLBERT?
A: LARRY, I DON’T KNOW HIS LAST NAME
Q: WAS THERE ANOTHER LARRY MUHAMMAD?
A: I DON’T KNOW IF LARRY TOLBERT IS LARRY MUHAMMAD
Q: THERE WAS SOME CONNECTION THE SECURITY MEASURES OR THE SECURITY PEOPLE HAD WITH NATION OF ISLAM; IS THAT CORRECT?
A: ACTUAL OWNER IS FROM THE NATION OF ISLAM WHO I KNEW PERSONALLY. AND WHEN I HIRED, MICHAEL ASKED ME TO HIRE SOMEONE I KNOW AND TRUST. I KNOW HIM, AND I KIND OF
TRIED TO HAND PICK SOME OF THE GUYS. I DIDN’T WANT JUST ANYONE IN MICHAEL’S PROPERTY.
Q: YOU ARE CONNECTED WITH THE NATION OF ISLAM?
A: CORRECT.
Q: YOU TRUSTED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS NATION OF ISLAM?
A: I KNEW HIM. I DON’T JUST HIRE ANYONE BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION.
Q: PATRICK MUHAMMAD, WHO IS THAT? IS HE RELATED TO YOU?
A: NO, SIR.
Q: IS HE NATION OF ISLAM
A: YES, SIR.
Q: WHAT ABOUT ALBERTO ALVAREZ. IS HE NATION OF ISLAM?
A: CORRECT. .
Q: ?
A:YES,
Q: PATRICK ISAAC?
A: YES,
Q: LARRY?
A : YES,
Q : THE NANNY, ROSALIND?
A: I KNEW OF HER PERSONALLY. YES, SIR.
Q: HOW DO YOU KNOW HER PERSONALLY?
A: MY MOM IS GOOD FRIENDS WITH HER.
Q: IS SHE NATION OF ISLAM?
A: CORRECT.
Q: IS THERE ANYONE THERE WHO WASN’T CONNECTED TO THE NATION OF ISLAM?
A: MANY PEOPLE. THE CHEF, THE HOUSEKEEPERS, AND ABOUT THREE OR FOUR SECURITY WEREN’T NATION OF ISLAM.
Q: JUNE 25? WERE THEY WORKING ON THAT DAY?
A: I DON’T KNOW THE SHIFTS, THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, HE
WOULD KNOW THAT.
Q: LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. WHO WAS WORKING THE MORNING OF JUNE 25. YOU SAID YOU HAD THREE SHIFTS, RIGHT?
A: NOT SURE HOW THE SHIFTS WORKED, BUT WE HAD TWO MEN 24 HOURS ON THE PROPERTY.
Q:WHO WAS ON THE PROPERTY THE MORNING, , FROM 10:00 A.M. TO NOON ON JUNE 25?
A: LARRY AND, I BELIEVE, LOUIS.
Q:LOUIS?
A: LOUIS WILLIAMS, MY BROTHER.
Q: YOU ARE RELATED TO LOUIS?
A: CORRECT.
Q: YOU KNEW THAT HE WAS WORKING THAT DAY?
A: MY BROTHER, LOUIS?
Q: YES.
A: BY THE TIME HE CAME, WE WERE GONE.
Q: MY QUESTION IS ON THE 25TH, DID YOU KNOW THAT LOUIS WAS WORKING THAT DAY?
A: YES, SIR.
Q: YOU SAID THAT THE FIRST PERSON YOU CALLED WAS FAHEEM MUHAMMAD?
A: YES, SIR.
Q: AND YOU TESTIFIED TODAY THAT THE REASON THAT YOU DID THAT, AND YOU JUST STOP ME IF I EVER GET ANYTHING WRONG.
THE REASON YOU DID THAT IS HE IS ALWAYS HANGING AROUND. HE IS ALWAYS OVER THERE.
A: HE WORKED THE DAY SHIFT, SO I KNEW AT THAT TIME EITHER HE WOULD BE THERE OR ALBERTO WOULD BE THERE. AT LEAST ONE OF THEM WOULD BE THERE.
Q: YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT HE WAS WITH YOU JUST THE EVENING PRIOR?
A: FAHEEM?
Q: YES,
A: YES,
Q: HE WAS DRIVING?
A: YES,.
Q: YOU MENTIONED, ANOTHER SECURITY GUARD?
A: ALBERTO.
Q: ALBERTO, SO THEY BOTH WERE THERE?
A: YES,
Q: WHEN YOUR AND THEIR SHIFT ENDED THAT MORNING, THAT WAS ABOUT ONE O’CLOCK IN THE MORNING?
A: YES, SIR.
Q: YOU EXPECTED THEM TO BE BACK ON SHIFT THE NEXT MORNING AT 10:00 OR 11:00?
A: 9:00, 10:00, 11:00.
Q: AND THEN YOU EXPECTED PERHAPS FOR THEM TO BE THE ONES TO TAKE MR. JACKSON TO HIS REHEARSALS THAT EVENING?
A: CORRECT.
Q: FAHEEM MUHAMMAD IS AT THE RESIDENCE MORE THAN ANY OTHER OF THE SECURITY GUARDS?
A: DEPENDING ON THE DAY. BETWEEN HIM AND ALBERTO, THEY WORKED WHAT WE CALL THE DAY SHIFT. THEY
ARE THE ONES WHO WENT OUT WITH MICHAEL. SO WHENEVER IT WAS POSSIBLE MICHAEL WOULD GO OUT, THEY WERE THERE.
UNLESS HE JUST TOLD ME HE WAS STAYING HOME ALL DAY, THEY WOULD STAY HOME ALL DAY.
Q: WHEN YOU GOT THE PHONE CALL FROM DR. MURRAY, YOU SAID THE FIRST THING YOU DID WAS CALLED FAHEEM?
A: CORRECT.
Q: YOU SAID THE SECOND THING YOU DID WAS TO CALL ALBERTO?
A: CORRECT.
Q: DID FAHEEM TELL YOU HE HAD JUST LEFT THE RESIDENCE, THE CAROLWOOD RESIDENCE?
A: HE SAID HE HAD JUST LEFT, WAS ON HIS WAY TO THE BANK.
Q: DID YOU ASK HIM, “HEY, WHAT’S HAPPENING AT THE RESIDENCE?”
A: I MAY HAVE.
Q: YOU KNEW YOUR BROTHER WAS AT THE RESIDENCE?
A: NO, I DIDN’T KNOW HIS SHIFT.
Q: YOU SAID EARLIER IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU KNEW HE WAS THERE THAT DAY?
A: NO. I SAID I KNEW HE WAS THERE JUNE 25. I DIDN’T SAY I KNEW WHAT TIME HE WAS THERE. BUT WHEN I GOT THERE–
Q: — LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO REVIEW YOUR CELL PHONE RECORDS BEFORE YOU TESTIFIED TODAY?
A: NO,
Q: DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO REVIEW YOUR CELL PHONE RECORDS BEFORE YOUR STATEMENTS TO THE POLICE?
A: NO,
Q: AT NO POINT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR CELL PHONE RECORD?
A: NO, SIR.
Q: HAS ANYONE EVER TOLD YOU OR SHOWN YOU WHAT WAS ON YOUR CELL PHONE RECORD?
A: THEY TOLD ME THEY VERIFIED AS FAR AS ME
CALLING ALBERTO AND FAHEEM AND GETTING THE CALL FROM DR.MURRAY.
Q: DO YOU REMEMBER MAKING ANOTHER PHONE CALL BEFORE YOU CALLED ALBERTO?
A: I DON’T.
Q: DID SOMEBODY TELL YOU THAT YOU DID MAKE A PHONE CALL?
A: NO, SIR.
Q: WHEN YOU SAY THEY TOLD YOU WHAT PHONE CALLS WERE MADE, WHO ARE THEY
A: MY ATTORNEY TOLD ME THAT MY PHONE RECORDS WERE LOOKED AT.
Q: HE TOLD YOU PRIOR TO YOUR STATEMENT TO THE POLICE ON THE 31ST OF AUGUST?
A: EXCUSE ME?
Q: HE TOLD YOU THAT PRIOR TO MAKING YOUR THIRD STATEMENT TO THE POLICE?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: WELL, LET ME BACK UP YOU MADE A STATEMENT TO THE POLICE ON JUNE 25 AT THE HOSPITAL. YOU TALKED TO THE POLICE OFFICERS?
A: I TALKED TO THE POLICE OFFICERS BACK AT THE
RESIDENCE AFTER.
Q: YOU DON’T REMEMBER TALKING TO DETECTIVES
SMITH AND MARTINEZ AT THE HOSPITAL?
A: IF I WAS, IT COULDN’T HAVE BEEN LONGER THAN TWO OR THREE MINUTES. I DON’T REMEMBER HAVING A SIT-DOWN INTERVIEW WITH THEM.
Q: ON THE EVENING OF THE 25TH WHEN YOU WENT BACK TO THE CAROLWOOD RESIDENCE, YOU ALSO MADE ANOTHER STATEMENT TO THE POLICE?
A: YES. ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
Q: YOU MADE A THIRD STATEMENT TO THE POLICE ON AUGUST 31ST OF 2009?
A: CORRECT.
Q: BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR THIRD STATEMENT AUGUST 31ST 2009, IS THAT WHEN THEY TOLD YOU ABOUT YOUR CELL PHONE RECORDS?
A: NO. THEY TOLD ME THAT EARLIER TODAY.
Q: EARLIER TODAY?
A: YES,
Q: YOUR LAWYER DIDN’T GO THROUGH ANY OF THE CELL PHONE RECORDS?
A: NO,
THE COURT: THAT IS A DOUBLE NEGATIVE. COULD YOU CLARIFY?
MR. CHERNOFF: I SURE WILL. SORRY, JUDGE.
Q: YOU GUYS DIDN’T GO THROUGH YOUR CELL PHONE
RECORDS PRIOR?
A: PRIOR TO TODAY, MY ATTORNEY NEVER SAT WITH ME AND WE NEVER WENT THROUGH THE CELL PHONE RECORDS OF WHO I CALLED THAT DAY.
Q: YOU TESTIFIED, YOU DON’T REMEMBER CALLING ANYBODY BUT ALBERTO AND FAHEEM?
A: I’LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THE COURT: I HOPE YOU ARE BEING HONEST THE WHOLE TIME.
MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS: I AM. I HONESTLY REMEMBER CALLING MY WIFE’S PHONE ON THE WAY, TELLING HER TO STAY HOME. “I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. DOESN’T LOOK GOOD.” I REMEMBER GETTING A CALL FROM FRANK DI LEO ON THE WAY TO THE HOUSE. MY PHONE WAS BLOWING UP. AS FAR AS DIRECTING COMMUNICATION ABOUT MR. JACKSON, I SPOKE TO ALBERTO. I SPOKE TO FAHEEM, BUT I DON’T REMEMBER EVER SAYING THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES I SPOKE TO THAT DAY.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: DO YOU REMEMBER MAKING A PHONE CALL IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO ALBERTO ALVAREZ AND AFTER SPEAKING TO MUHAMMAD?
A: NO, SIR, NOT TO MY MEMORY. I DON’T.
Q: THE PHONE CALL THAT YOU MADE TO ALBERTO ALVAREZ, WHEN YOU WERE QUESTIONED BY THE POLICE ON AUGUST 31ST, YOU HAD A PRETTY SPECIFIC TIME THAT YOU HAD STATED THAT YOU MADE THAT PHONE CALL? CAN YOU TELL US TODAY AS YOU TESTIFY WHEN YOU MADE THAT PHONE CALL?
A: TO ALBERTO ALVAREZ?
Q:YES.
A: NO, SIR. I CAN’T. I REMEMBER IT WAS BEFORE I GOT THERE.
Q: AND IF YOU HAD SAID TO THE POLICE 12:17, THAT IS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? YOU COULD HAVE CALLED HIM 12:17?
A: I’M NOT GOING TO SAY BECAUSE I DON’T REMEMBER, SIR.
Q: WOULD IT BE FAIR TO STATE YOUR PHONE RECORDS WOULD REFLECT THAT BETTER THAN YOUR MEMORY?
A: YES,
Q: YOU HAVE NO REASON NOT TO TRUST YOUR PHONE RECORD, RIGHT?
A: NO, SIR.
Q: WHEN YOU CALLED ALBERTO ALVAREZ, YOU ARE SURE THAT IT WAS YOU THAT CALLED HIM?
A: THAT WAS ME THAT CALLED ALBERTO ALVAREZ.YES,
Q: I KNOW YOU SPOKE TO HIM. ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT CALLED HIM, AND HE DIDN’T CALL YOU?
A: NO. I THINK I REMEMBER CALLING HIM. I REMEMBER CALLING BECAUSE I ASKED WHERE HE WAS AND HE WASN’T ALARMED.
Q: IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CALLED HIM AND HE CALLED YOU BACK. YOU LEFT A MESSAGE FOR HIM. IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
A: IT’S POSSIBLE.
Q: YOUR PHONE RECORD WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT?
A: CORRECT.
Q: HOW LONG WAS YOUR CONVERSATION, WITH ALBERTO ALVAREZ?
A: IT COULD HAVE BEEN LESS THAN A MINUTE. COULD HAVE BEEN TWO MINUTES. I REMEMBER FROM HIM BEING IN THE TRAILER TO ME TELLING HIM TO WALK TO THE FRONT DOOR AND TO HURRY UP TO THE FRONT DOOR, TO HIM GETTING INTO THE PROPERTY, TO HIM SAYING, “MAY I GO UPSTAIRS?” I SAID, “YEAH, GO UPSTAIRS.” THEN THE PHONE HANGING UP.
Q: COULD IT HAVE BEEN TWO MINUTES, OR COULD HAVE BEEN A MINUTE AND A HALF FOR ALL YOU KNOW?
A: COULD HAVE BEEN LESS THAN THAT.
Q: BUT WHAT YOU DO KNOW FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT YOUR PHONE CALL LASTED EXACTLY FROM WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING TO HIM AFTER YOU INITIALLY CALLED HIM UNTIL WHEN YOU HEARD DR. MURRAY’SVOICE, RIGHT?
A: HE HUNG UP ON ME.
Q: THAT IS HOW LONG YOUR PHONE CALL WOULD HAVE BEEN?
A: FROM ME CALLING HIM TO HIM HANGING UP ON ME, CORRECT.
Q: DO YOU REMEMBER GETTING A PHONE CALL FROM
FAHEEM MUHAMMAD SOMETIME AFTER THAT?
A: YES. I REMEMBER CALLING HIM, TOO. I WAS ON MY WAY. I WAS CHECKING WHAT IS GOING ON. HOW IS HE LOOKING.
Q: AND FAHEEM MUHAMMAD, DO YOU REMEMBER HIM CALLING YOU AND ASKING, “IS IT OKAY IF I GO UPSTAIRS?”
A: I DON’T REMEMBER OUR DIRECT CONVERSATIONS, BUT I REMEMBER I HAD INSTRUCTIONS TO GO TO THE HOUSE AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
Q: YOU DON’T REMEMBER FAHEEM MUHAMMAD ASKING YOU, “CAN I GO UPSTAIRS?”
A: I DON’T REMEMBER HIM ASKING COULD HE GO UPSTAIRS. BUT I DO REMEMBER HIM CALLING ME. WE DID SPEAK SEVERAL TIMES, I BELIEVE.
Q: YOU SAID THAT YOU WENT UPSTAIRS VERY RARELY, ON OCCASION?
A: I WENT UPSTAIRS ON OCCASION WHENEVER HE ASKED. I NEVER WENT UP THERE FREELY. WHENEVER HE ASKED ME TO WATCH A MOVIE WITH HIM, IF IT’S TO WRITE SOMETHING. I WASN’T ALLOWED UP THERE JUST TO WALK UP THERE. I ALWAYS HAD TO GET PERMISSION FROM HIM TO GO UPSTAIRS AS DID THE STAFF.
Q: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME BEFORE JUNE 25, 2009, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WENT UPSTAIRS?
A: I CAN’T THINK OF THE EXACT DAY, BUT HE WOULD HAVE MEETINGS SOMETIMES AND TELL ME, “IT’S A SKYPE MEETING ON MY COMPUTER.” I WOULD GO IN THE ROOM AND SET THE COMPUTER UP FOR THE SKYPE MEETING. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE TIMES. IT WASN’T UNUSUAL FOR ME TO GO UPSTAIRS, BUT I NEVER COULD GO UNLESS HE ASKED ME TO.
Q: YOU REMEMBER IF IT WAS A WEEK BEFORE, TWO WEEKS BEFORE?
A: NO, I DON’T.
Q: WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY, THOUGH, YOU WOULD
SAY THIS. THAT YOUR FINGERPRINTS COULD NOT BE FOUND ON
VIALS, OR I.V. BAGS, OR SYRINGES?
A: AS FAR AS I.V. BAGS, NO, SIR. MY FINGERPRINTS WOULDN’T.
Q: THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE?
A : I DON’T SEE HOW, ME TOUCHING THAT. I NEVER TOUCHED ANY OF THAT. NO, SIR.
Q: DID THE POLICE EVER FINGERPRINT YOU?
A:NO, SIR.
Q: THEY DIDN’T. LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT HAS BEEN ONCE AGAIN EXHIBIT NO. 1, WHICH IS PEOPLE’S EXHIBIT. DO YOU HAVE YOUR POINTER?
A: YES,
Q: CAN YOU HELP ME OUT,
A ; SURE.
Q ; SHOW ME ONCE AGAIN WHERE THE SECURITY TRAILER IS?
A; IT IS RIGHT THERE (INDICATING).
THE COURT: THE RECTANGULAR AREA ON THE SIDE.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: THE STAFF NORMALLY, IF THEY WENT INSIDE THE RESIDENCE, WENT THROUGH THE KITCHEN; IS THAT RIGHT?
A: THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE KITCHEN OR THE FRONT DOOR DEPENDING WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
Q: WHERE IS THE KITCHEN DOOR IN RELATION TO THE FRONT DOOR?
A: RIGHT THERE IN RELATION TO THE COURT TRAILER.
Q: SO THE KITCHEN WAS, TEN FEET AWAY, 20 FEET AWAY FROM THE SECURITY TRAILER?
A: A FEW FEET AWAY.
Q ; YOU TESTIFIED EARLIER THAT WHAT YOU TOLD ALBERTO ALVAREZ WAS TO GO TO THE FRONT DOOR.
A; YES
Q: I’M SORRY. I DON’T THINK WE GOT INTO WHY YOU
TOLD HIM THAT. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU TOLD HIM THAT?
A: THE KITCHEN DOOR COULD BE LOCKED. WE HAD SO MANY TIMES WE BANG ON THE DOOR. THE CHEF DOESN’T HEAR IT OR SHE IS SOMEWHERE.
Q: DID THAT DOOR REMAIN LOCKED?
A; SOMETIMES. SO IT WAS ALWAYS EASIER TO GO TO THE FRONT DOOR, MAYBE CALL SOMEONE TO UNLOCK THE DOOR. WE DIDN’T HAVE ANYONE LIKE WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE WE COULD JUST CALL AND SAY, “OPEN THE DOOR.” IF IT WASN’T THE CHEF’S DOOR, IT WAS THE FRONT DOOR.
FOR EMERGENCIES LIKE THIS, I DIDN’T THINK TO HAVE HIM TRY TO BANG ON THE KITCHEN DOOR. I SAID, “GO RIGHT TO THE FRONT,” SO HE COULD SEE IN, HOPING IT WAS OPEN.
Q: ALBERTO ALVAREZ DIDN’T SAY, “I’M BANGING ON THE KITCHEN DOOR, BUT NOBODY IS HERE.” YOU TOLD HIM, “GO DIRECTLY TO THE FRONT DOOR”?”
A: I REMEMBER SAYING, “GO INSIDE. GO INSIDE. “YOU KNOW, MY EXACT WORDS I DON’T REMEMBER.
Q: YOU REMEMBER HIM GETTING TO THE FRONT DOOR. ACTUALLY, YOU DID GIVE EXACT WORDS IN YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. YOU SAID, “I TOLD HIM TO GO TO THE FRONT DOOR.”
A: YES
Q ; IS THAT WHAT YOU TOLD HIM?
A; I TOLD HIM TO GO — YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST,
IT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. IF I SAID IT IN MY STATEMENT, THAT WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO, THAT WAS MY STATEMENT. I SAID, “GO TO THE FRONT DOOR.”
Q; THE FRONT DOOR, IS IT NORMALLY LEFT WIDE OPEN, UNLOCKED?
A; DURING THE DAY, IT IS UNLOCKED. AT NIGHT, MR. JACKSON WOULD LOOK IT.
Q; THE SECURITY TEAM WOULD ALLOW THE FRONT DOOR TO MICHAEL JACKSON’S RESIDENCE TO BE UNLOCKED?
A; YES, SIR, UNLESS MR. JACKSON WANTED IT LOCKED WHICH HE DID AT NIGHT.
Q: SO DID YOU TELL ALBERTO WHAT THE EMERGENCY WAS?
A; I DIDN’T KNOW. I REMEMBER HIM ASKING, “WHAT IS GOING ON?” I SAID, “I DON’T KNOW, BUT GET THERE RIGHT AWAY.”
Q; WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT YOU DECIDED TO CALL ALBERTO THE VERY NEXT TIME AFTER YOU SPOKE TO FAHEEM?
A; PROBABLY CHECKING, FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON. I’M IN THE CAR. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW.
MR. CHERNOFF: MAY I APPROACH THE WITNESS, YOUR HONOR?
THE COURT: YES.
MR. CHERNOFF: I WOULD LIKE THIS MARKED AS A DEFENSE EXHIBIT.
THE COURT: “A,” AS IN ALPHA.
MR. WALGREN: MAY I SEE IT?
THE COURT: PLEASE SHOW IT TO OPPOSING COUNSEL.
MR. CHERNOFF: YES.
THE COURT: YOU HAVE SEEN IT, MR. WALGREN?
MR. WALGREN: YES, THANK YOU.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT HAS BEEN MARKED AS DEFENSE “A.”
A: YES, SIR.
Q; THESE PHONE RECORDS, DOES THIS APPEAR TO BE YOUR PHONE RECORDS?
A; YES,
Q; THAT IS YOUR PHONE NUMBER ON THIS AT&T PHONE RECORD?
A; YES
Q; DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CELL PHONE?
A; BACK THEN, I HAD A 310 NUMBER THAT MR. JACKSON WOULD CALL ME ON.
Q; COULD YOU WRITE DOWN WHAT THAT NUMBER IS?
A; I DON’T REMEMBER. AFTER HE PASSED, I STOPPED USING THAT PHONE BECAUSE THAT WAS MAINLY USED FOR HIM.
Q; OKAY. ARE YOU STILL USING YOUR I-PHONE, YOUR AT&T?
A; I AM, SIR.
Q; LET ME SHOW YOU THESE RECORDS. HOW ARE YOUR EYES?
A; PRETTY GOOD.
Q ; LET ME SHOW YOU THESE RECORDS THAT START ON THE 25TH, WHAT I’LL DO IS UNDERLINE THIS NUMBER. COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT IS THAT?
MR. WALGREN: MAY I APPROACH THE WITNESS?
THE COURT: ABSOLUTELY.
MR. CHERNOFF: DO YOU HAVE A BETTER COPY, A LARGER COPY?
MR. WALGREN: NO.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: IS THIS NUMBER, FAHEEM MUHAMMAD’SNUMBER?
A: I DON’T REMEMBER BY HEART, BUT I KNOW THAT IS THE AREA CODE.
Q: WHEN HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE PROSECUTION, THE PEOPLE, PRIOR TO TESTIFYING TODAY?
A: SAY THAT AGAIN.
Q: DID YOU SPEAK TO THE PROSECUTION TODAY OR YESTERDAY PRIOR TO TESTIFYING?
A: NO I SPOKE TO MY ATTORNEY.
Q: DID YOU SPEAK TO MR. WALGREN OR MS. BRAZIL?
A: TODAY OR YESTERDAY?
Q: OR ANY TIME PRIOR TO YOUR TESTIMONY?
A: YES,
Q: WHEN
A; ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO.
Q; YOUR ATTORNEY WAS PRESENT?
A; YES,
Q ; AND WHEN YOU SPOKE TO THE POLICE ON AUGUST 31ST, 2009, YOUR ATTORNEY WAS PRESENT AS WELL?
A: CORRECT
Q: TODAY FOR YOUR TESTIMONY, ONCE AGAIN HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF. HE IS PRESENT?
A: YES, SIR.
Q: WHEN DID YOU HIRE A LAWYER?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED. 350, 352.
MR. CHERNOFF: JUDGE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED
TO GO INTO THE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT CAUSED HIM TO THINK HE
NEEDED PROTECTION
.
THE COURT: I’M SUSTAINING THE OBJECTION. THANK
YOU.
MR. WALGREN: WHEN DID YOU CONTACT THE POLICE?
THE COURT: THAT PRESUPPOSES THAT IS THE REASON AND
THAT IS WHY I’M SUSTAINING IT UNDER 352.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: WHY DID YOU CONTACT THE POLICE AFTER JUNE 25 TO TELL THEM YOU WANTED TO MAKE ANOTHER STATEMENT?
A: I WAS CONTACTED. I DIDN’T CHANGE MY NUMBER.ONE OF THE DETECTIVES —
Q: WAS IT DETECTIVE ABDUL?
A: I DON’T REMEMBER THE NAME
Q: WAS IT THE DAY AFTER MICHAEL JACKSON’S DEATH, TWO DAYS AFTER?
A: IT WAS NOT TOO LONG AFTERWARDS.
Q: YOUR NEXT STATEMENT THEN WOULD HAVE BEEN AUGUST 31ST?
A: MY NEXT, YES,
Q: WHEN YOU MADE YOUR STATEMENT, IT WAS ALSO ALBERTO ALVAREZ MAKING A STATEMENT?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION.
MR. CHERNOFF: VAGUE AS TO THERE, AS IF THERE IN THE SAME ROOM.
THE COURT: I’LL SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION. IT MAY BE VAGUE AND AMBIGUOUS. RE ASK, PLEASE.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: WHERE WAS THE STATEMENT TAKEN?
A: AT THE ATTORNEY’S OFFICE.
Q: MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE?
A: CORRECT.
Q: AND ALBERT ALVAREZ WAS THERE ALSO?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION AS TO TIME.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: DID HE COME IN TO MAKE A STATEMENT?
A: I DON’T KNOW ON WHAT OCCASION.
Q: YOU MADE A STATEMENT ON AUGUST 31ST, 2009?
A: CORRECT.
Q: IN MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE?
A: YES.
Q: YOU TRAVELED TO MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE TO MAKE YOUR STATEMENT?
A: CORRECT.
Q: DID ALBERTO ALVAREZ COME WITH YOU?
A: IN THE OFFICE WAS JUST MYSELF AND MY ATTORNEY AND THE DETECTIVES.
Q: WHERE WAS ALBERTO ALVAREZ WHEN YOU MADE YOUR STATEMENT?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. CALLS FOR SPECULATION.
MR. CHERNOFF: IF HE KNOWS.
THE COURT: I’LL OVERRULE THE OBJECTION. YOU MAY ANSWER, IF YOU KNOW.
MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS: I DON’T KNOW. HE HAD TO — I HAD THE INTERVIEW THE SAME DAY.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q: DID YOU DRIVE WITH HIM TO MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE?
A: I KNOW WE CARPOOLED THAT DAY. I’M NOT SURE
IF HE WENT. A LOT OF TIMES, WE WOULD CARPOOL TOGETHER.
Q: WHAT ABOUT FAHEEM MUHAMMAD?
A: WE WOULD CARPOOL TOGETHER.
Q; YOU KNOW FOR SURE MUHAMMAD AND YOU DROVE TOGETHER TO MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE?
A; I DON’T THINK WE DROVE TOGETHER TO HIS OFFICE THAT DAY, BUT A LOT OF EVENTS WE WOULD CARPOOL TOGETHER IF IT IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS.
Q; SO FAHEEM MUHAMMAD DID NOT RIDE WITH YOU TO MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE?
A; I DON’T REMEMBER HIM RIDING WITH ME. MORE LIKELY HE DIDN’T. BUT, YOU KNOW,
Q; YOU ONLY MADE ONE VISIT TO MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE, DIDN’T YOU?
A; THAT DAY?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
THE COURT: JUST A MOMENT, PLEASE.
MR. CHERNOFF: HE IS EVADING THE QUESTION.
THE COURT: THE OBJECTION IS SUSTAINED. RE ASK IT, PLEASE.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q; DID YOU MAKE MORE THAN ONE TRIP TO MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
MICHAEL AMIR WILLIAMS: YES.
MR. WALGREN: HE HAS THE RIGHT.
MR. CHERNOFF: IF HE MADE A STATEMENT TO THE POLICE
ON THE 31ST THAT HE CAN’T REMEMBER THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE STATEMENT ALONE, THEN I BELIEVE IT IMPACTS YOUR DECISION.
THE COURT: WE DON’T HAVE TO HAVE A SPEAKING NARRATIVE. THE OBJECTION IS OVERRULED WITHIN THE LIMITS OF 350 AND 352, RE ASK
MR. CHERNOFF: THANK YOU.
Q; DID YOU MAKE MORE THAN ONE TRIP TO MR. DOUGLAS’S OFFICE?
A; YES, SIR. WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ATTORNEY, WE MET HIM AT HIS OFFICE DIFFERENT TIMES TO HIRE HIM, TO MEET HIM. WE WAS THERE A FEW TIMES. I DON’T KNOW WHEN AND WHEN WE DID NOT CARPOOL.
Q; YOU TALK ABOUT WE?
A; MYSELF, AND MAINLY FAHEEM AND ALBERTO.
ALBERTO ALVAREZ LIVES PRETTY FAR. BUT AS FAR AS WHO
CARPOOLED AT WHAT TIME ON WHAT DAY, I DON’T REMEMBER. BUT WE HAVE BEEN TO CARL DOUGLAS’S OFFICE MORE THAN,
WHAT, TWICE OR THREE TIMES.
Q; DID YOU EXPLAIN TO MR. DOUGLAS WHAT YOU WERE
GOING TO TALK TO THE POLICE ABOUT?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: I’LL SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION. IT IMPLICATES ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS. MR. DOUGLAS IS STANDING, AND IT IS IRRELEVANT. 350, 352.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q; DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. DOUGLAS AT THE SAME TIME AS ALBERTO ALVAREZ AND FAHEEM MUHAMMAD?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q; IS MR. DOUGLAS AN ATTORNEY, LAWYER, THAT YOU USED PRIOR?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED. 350, 352.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q; HAVE YOU, OTHER THAN THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH THE POLICE, DID MR. DOUGLAS REPRESENT YOU IN ANY BUSINESS MATTER?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q .HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN ALBERTO ALVAREZ?
A ABOUT 5 YEARS.
Q DO YOU RECALL WHERE YOU MET HIM?
A NO,.
Q WHAT ABOUT FAHEEM MUHAMMAD? HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN HIM?
A 10 YEARS.
Q AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD CARPOOL TOGETHER. ARE YOU STILL CURRENTLY CARPOOLING,
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE, YOUR HONOR.
MR. CHERNOFF: THE RELEVANCE IS IN RELATIONSHIP WITH ALBERTO FAHEEM MAY HAVE CAUSED THE THREE OF THEM TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS —
THE COURT: THEN YOU CAN GET TO THE POINT.
MR. CHERNOFF: ALL RIGHT.
THE COURT: THE OBJECTION IS GOING TO BE SUSTAINED TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION. RELEVANCE AND 352.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU MENTIONED IN — YOU SAID IN YOUR TESTIMONY — AND I AM RESPONDING TO THAT TESTIMONY YOU SAID YOU CARPOOLED WITH FAHEEM AND ALBERTO. DO YOU STILL CURRENTLY DO THAT?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q BEFORE MICHAEL JACKSON DIED, JUNE 25.DID YOU CARPOOL WITH
ALBERTO AND FAHEEM?
A WITH MR. JACKSON We WOULD GO PLACES TOGETHER.
Q SO WHEN YOU MEAN BY CARPOOL IS WITH SECURITY TEAM IN THE CAR GOING PLACES?
A YES, SIR.
Q WHEN YOU FIRST RECEIVED A CALL FROM DOCTOR MURRAY, WHERE WERE YOU?
A AT HOME IN DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES.
Q AND YOU WERE IN SHOCK?
A I GOT OUT THE SHOWER AND SEEN THE MISSED CALL.
Q AND PRIOR TO THAT TIME, YOU HAD BEEN OUT LOOKING FOR A STORAGE FACILITY?
A MY OBJECTIVE THAT DAY WAS TO FIND STORAGES AND CONCERT PROPERTY BEFORE WE WENT TO REHEARSAL. SO IN THE MIDST BEFORE I GOT IN THE SHOWER, I GOOGLED SOME PLACES WHERE I WOULD LOOK. AND I STARTED TO GET READY FOR THE DAY TO GO DO THAT.
Q NORMALLY YOU COME IN ABOUT 9:00 OR 10:00O’CLOCK; IS THAT RIGHT?
A IT DEPENDS. BUT 10:00 SOUNDS LIKE AN AVERAGE NUMBER I WOULD COME IN.
Q INSTEAD OF COMING IN, THAT WAS GOING TO BE YOUR GOAL OR YOUR ROLE FOR THE DAY?
A I WAS GOING TO COME IN BEFORE WE LEFT FOR REHEARSAL.
Q AND SO THAT IS WHAT YOU DID THAT MORNING. YOU WERE IN THE SHOWER, AND THEN YOU GOT OUT OF THE SHOWER AND SAW —
A A MISSED CALL.
Q — A MISSED CALL. AND THAT WAS DOCTOR MURRAY?
A CORRECT.
Q WHEN — YOU HAVE TESTIFIED ALREADY THAT YOU HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH DETECTIVE SMITH AND DETECTIVE MARTINEZ AT THE HOSPITAL, RIGHT?
A YES
Q YOU HAD ANOTHER CONVERSATION AT THE CAROLWOOD ADDRESS?
A SAME DAY, YES
Q NOW IT WASN’T YOUR INTENTION TO GO BACK TO THE CAROLWOOD ADDRESS, WAS IT?
A NO
Q WHEN YOU LEFT THE HOSPITAL WHERE WERE YOU GOING TO GO?
A WE DIDN’T KNOW. WE ALL GOT IN THE CAR. THE FAMILY WAS IN THE GARAGE GETTING READY TO GO HOME. AND OUR JOB, WE JUST SAID, LET’S CREATE A DIVERSION. WE HAD TWO CARS THAT EVERYONE FOLLOWED. SO ALL OF MY SECURITY STAFF, GOT IN THE CAR. AND WE STARTED TO DRIVE, THAT IS WHEN I GOT A PHONE CALL TO COME TO THE PROPERTY.
Q “WE,” WHO IS “WE?”
A MYSELF, ALBERTO ALVAREZ, FAHEEM MUHAMMAD,
ISAAC MUHAMMAD. AND I CAN’T REMEMBER EVERYONE ELSE IF THERE WAS MORE PEOPLE.
Q YOU WERE ALL IN ONE CAR
A TWO VEHICLES,
Q BUT YOU GOT THE PHONE CALL?
A YES,
Q DO YOU REMEMBER WHO CALLED YOU?
A NO
Q YOU THEN WENT BACK TO THE CAROLWOOD ADDRESS WITH ALL OF THOSE FOLKS?
A ALL OF US, TWO VEHICLES.
Q DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME YOU LEFT THE HOSPITAL?
A NO,
Q DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME YOU ARRIVED AT CAROLWOOD RESIDENCE?
A NO,
Q BUT YOU DO KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARRIVED TOGETHER?
A YES,
Q AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE, WERE THE POLICE ALREADY THERE?
A YES,
Q THIS IS L.A.P.D.
A DETECTIVES WERE THERE. I KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
Q WAS THERE ANY OTHER AGENCY BESIDES L.A.P.D. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?
A I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO THE DETECTIVES.
Q THE CORONERS WERE THERE?
A I’M NOT SURE.
Q BUT YOU REMEMBER DISTINCTIVELY THAT ALBERTO ALVAREZ CAME?
A YES
Q YOU STAYED QUITE LATE AT THE CAROLWOOD HOUSE, DIDN’T YOU?
A YES,
Q PROBABLY 10:00, 10:30?
A FAIR TO SAY IT WAS DARK.
Q DID ALBERTO STAY WITH YOU?
A NO. HE LEFT. AFTER HE SPOKE TO THE
DETECTIVES, HE WENT HOME. FAHEEM STAYED.
Q WELL, THIS IS IMPORTANT. I WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE CLEAR THIS, MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS SAID. ALBERTO ALVAREZ SPOKE TO DETECTIVES AT THE CAROLWOOD HOUSE AND THEN LEFT?
A I DON’T RECALL HIM SPEAKING TO DETECTIVES AT THE CAROLWOOD HOUSE. HE CAME TO THE CAROLWOOD HOUSE, BUT THEN HE LEFT THE CAROLWOOD HOUSE.
Q HOW LONG DID HE STAY?
A I’M NOT SURE.
Q I AM NOT ASKING SPECIFICS.
A OH, I DON’T KNOW
Q WAS IT HE GOT THERE AND TOOK OFF? 30MINUTES? AN HOUR?
A IF I GAVE YOU A TIME, IT WOULDN’T BE ACCURATE.
Q BUT YOU KNOW THAT HE TOOK OFF BEFORE EVERY BODY ELSE?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q DID HE TAKE OFF BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. VAGUE. WHO IS EVERYBODY ELSE? MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REFINE.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q LET’S CONSIDER EVERYBODY ELSE ALL THE SECURITY PERSONS.
A YES
Q DID ALBERTO ALVAREZ LEAVE BEFORE EVERYBODY ELSE, ALL THE OTHER SECURITY PERSONNEL?
A I DON’T KNOW THE ORDER,
Q I AM ASKING YOU WHO LEFT FIRST.
A I DON’T KNOW WHO LEFT FIRST.
Q WELL, DID OTHER SECURITY PERSONNEL LEAVE BEFORE YOU DID?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. ASKED AND ANSWERED. CALLS FOR SPECULATION.
MR. CHERNOFF: IT WASN’T ASKED.
THE COURT: YOU DON’T HAVE TO ARGUE.
THE OBJECTION IS OVERRULED. YOU MAY ANSWER, IF YOU ARE ABLE.
THE WITNESS: COULD YOU ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN, PLEASE?
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q WERE OTHER SECURITY PERSONNEL LEAVING BEFORE YOU DID?
A YES
Q DO YOU KNOW WHO THEY WERE?
A NO
Q YOU DON’T?
A NO, I DON’T RECALL NAMES.
Q DID YOU LEAVE WITH ANY OF THE SECURITY PERSONNEL?
A IT WAS FRANTIC –PEOPLE, DETECTIVES WERE THERE. PEOPLE WAS THERE, PEOPLE AS FAR AS DETECTIVES. I REMEMBER HAVING TO GO TO THE RESTROOM, AND THE DETECTIVE WALKING INSIDE INTO THE
RESTROOM AND WALKING BACK. AND I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO A DETECTIVE. I COULD REMEMBER FAHEEM STANDING OUTSIDE TALKING TO A DETECTIVE. BUT, YOU KNOW, MICHAEL JACKSON JUST DIED., I STILL HAVE TO RECALL THE NEWS. I DON’T REMEMBER EVERYTHING
Q YOU DO REMEMBER, THOUGH, SPEAKING TO THEM DETECTIVES,
A I DO, , IN THE KITCHEN.
Q IN YOUR TESTIMONY EARLIER WHEN MR.WALGREN WAS ASKING YOU, YOU SAID THAT WHEN DOCTOR MURRAY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT A CREAM, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT YOU FOUND THAT — WHAT WAS THE WORD YOU USED? YOU FOUND THAT STRANGE? IS THAT THE WORD YOU USED?
A STRANGE, ODD, WEIRD.
Q IT STRUCK YOU THAT SO WEIRD THAT YOU WENT AND SPOKE TO FAHEEM ABOUT —
A YES
Q — KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT NO ONE WENT BACK TO THE HOUSE?
A HE ASKED ME TO ASK IF ONE OF THE GUYS COULD GIVE HIM A RIDE.
Q SO IT STRUCK YOU SO WEIRD THAT YOU, THAT YOU
MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH FAHEEM TO KIND OF GET ON THE SAME PAGE?
A WELL, YES. I TOLD FAHEEM, I SAID, IF HE
ASKS, I TOLD HIM THAT THE COPS HAVE OUR KEYS. WE CAN’T GO NOWHERE.
Q NOW DID YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT MICHAEL JACKSON ACTUALLY USED A CREAM?
A NO
Q YOU, OF COURSE, ARE AWARE OF THE RUMORS THAT HE USED A CREAM TO WIPE HIS SKIN?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q WELL, YOU HAVE HEARD OF IT?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU DON’T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ACREAM AT ALL?
A NO.
Q COULD HAVE BEEN TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, RIGHT?
A YES , I DON’T KNOW AT ALL.
Q BUT CERTAINLY, YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT AT THE CAROLWOOD RESIDENCE WHEN YOU MADE YOUR STATEMENT TO THE POLICE YOU DID NOT MENTION TO THE POLICE ABOUT THESE STATEMENTS THAT DOCTOR MURRAY SAID TO YOU?
A I ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS. AND THAT WAS IT. THEY PRETTY MUCH ASKED THE TIMELINE OF THAT DAY, WHAT TIME WE LEFT, WHAT’S MY JOB. AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.
Q YOUR TESTIMONY IS THEY ASKED YOU FOUR OR FIVE QUESTIONS
A I WOULDN’T COUNT THE QUESTIONS. BUT IT WAS NO LONGER THAN 10, COULDN’T BE LONGER THAN 15 MINUTES.
Q YOU RECALL TELLING THEM WHERE YOU WERE WHEN THE PHONE CALL FROM DOCTOR MURRAY CAME, RIGHT?
A I GAVE THEM A TIMELINE OF THE DAY.
Q DO YOU REMEMBER TELLING THEM THAT?
A NO, SIR. I REMEMBER — IF I DID, I DID. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I GAVE MY TIMELINE OF THE DAY, WHAT HAPPENED, WHERE I WAS AT, WHO I AM.
Q YOU REMEMBER TELLING THEM EXACTLY WHAT TIME DOCTOR MURRAY CALLED YOU?
A I REMEMBERED THE TIMES BECAUSE I HAD IT IN MY PHONE.
Q DO YOU REMEMBER TELLING THEM THAT YOU HAD ACTUALLY SAVED THE VOICEMAIL.
A I DID.
Q YOU TOLD THEM WHERE YOU WERE JUST BEFORE THE NIGHT BEFORE AT STAPLES CENTER? YOU TOLD THEM ABOUT ALL OF THAT, RIGHT?
A WELL, WHERE I WAS BEFORE THE STAPLES CENTER?
Q WELL, YOU TOLD THEM THE NIGHT BEFORE YOU HAD BEEN AT THE STAPLES CENTER WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?
A YES
Q YOU TOLD THEM ABOUT CALLING FAHEEM AND ABOUT CALLING ALBERTO?
A YES
Q YOU TOLD THEM ALL THESE THINGS?
A BASIC TIMELINE, YES, I DID.
Q YOU TOLD THEM ABOUT COMING TO THE RESIDENCE AFTER THE PARAMEDICS HAD ALREADY ARRIVED. YOU DID NOT TELL THEM, THOUGH, ABOUT THE STATEMENTS BY DOCTOR MURRAY?
A NO
Q YOU WERE WITH MICHAEL JACKSON IN LAS VEGAS?
A CORRECT.
Q DID YOU WORK FOR HIM IN OTHER PLACES BESIDES LOS ANGELES AND LAS VEGAS?
A WE WERE IN VIRGINIA FOR A FEW MONTHS, A MONTH SOMETIME; NEW JERSEY. SOUNDS PRETTY MUCH WHERE I HAVE TRAVELED WITH HIM.
Q LAS VEGAS?
A LAS VEGAS.
Q NEW YORK?
A CORRECT.
Q LOS ANGELES?
A SAN JOSE.
Q WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU HAD A NOT ONLY PROFESSIONAL BUT A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH MICHAEL JACKSON? YOU WERE FRIENDS?
A YES
Q HE CONFIDED IN YOU?
A YES.
Q TRUSTED YOU?
A YES
Q HE CONFIDED IN YOU?
A YES
Q AND HE TRUSTED YOU?
A YES
Q YOU KNEW MICHAEL JACKSON HAD DIFFICULTY SLEEPING? HE HAD INSOMNIA?
A NO, I WASN’T AWARE OF THAT. I WAS NEVER TOLD THAT. I NOTICED STUFF ON MY OWN AS FAR AS HIM CALLING ME LATE. BUT I NEVER THOUGHT LIKE, PERIOD, MICHAEL JACKSON HAD A PROBLEM WITH SLEEP, NO, SIR.
Q YOU DON’T REMEMBER TELLING THE POLICE OFFICERS ON AUGUST 31 THAT MICHAEL JACKSON HAD INSOMNIA?
A I DON’T REMEMBER ACTUALLY USING THE WORD “INSOMNIA.” BUT I TOLD THEM JUST WHAT I TOLD YOU RIGHT NOW. I DID NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME SLEEP, HE DID HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH SLEEP. BUT IT WAS NOTHING I WAS AWARE, TOLD OF BY A DOCTOR, OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING, ACTUAL FACTS. BUT OF MY OWN, EVERYTHING I HAD NOTICED MYSELF.
Q THAT HE HAD DIFFICULTY SLEEPING?
A YES
Q AND THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS THAT YOU WORKED FOR HIM?
A NO, IT GOT VERY WEIRD THE PAST FEW MONTHS. BUT BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WILL GET CALLS AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING ASKING ME A QUESTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT IT WAS NOTHING FOR ME TO BE AWARE OF TO BE SCARED OF, TO BE AFRAID OF OR ANYTHING.
Q LET’S FOCUS ON THE PAST FEW MONTHS. WHEN YOU SAY PAST FEW MONTHS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TIME BEFORE JUNE 25, MONTHS BEFORE THEN, RIGHT?
A CORRECT, ABOUT A FEW MONTHS BEFORE THAT.
Q PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES WITH MR. JACKSON — AND I SUPPOSE IT WAS SOMETHING YOU LIKED TO DO. YOU LIKED WORKING FOR MR. JACKSON, RIGHT?
A YES
Q YOU LIKED HIM PERSONALLY?
A VERY MUCH.
Q HE WAS A GOOD GUY?
A EXCELLENT GUY.
Q PART OF WHAT YOU DID IS YOU WERE WITH HIM WHEN YOU DROVE AROUND PLACES, RIGHT?
A CORRECT.
Q AND SOMETIMES THAT WAS WITH SECURITY PERSONNEL, AND SOMETIMES IT WAS NOT?
A CORRECT.
Q PART — AND SOME OF THOSE TRIPS WERE MADE TO DOCTOR’S OFFICES?
A CORRECT.
Q YOU KNOW DOCTOR ARNOLD KLEIN?
A YES. I NEVER MET HIM PERSONALLY, BUT I DO KNOW OF HIM.
Q NOW HOW IS IT YOU KNOW OF HIM?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE, YOUR HONOR.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU TOOK MICHAEL JACKSON TO DOCTOR ARNOLD KLEIN’S OFFICE, RIGHT?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. IRRELEVANT.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE LAST FEW MONTHS WERE KIND OF CRAZY?
A YES
Q YOU REMEMBER TAKING MICHAEL JACKSON TO DOCTOR’S OFFICES DURING THOSE LAST FEW MONTHS?
A YES
Q DOCTOR MURRAY CAME IN THE EVENING TIME, IS THAT RIGHT? AT NIGHTTIME?
A TOWARDS THE LAST FEW MONTHS BEFORE MICHAEL PASSED, HE WOULD COME DURING THE EVENING TIME.
Q AND HE WOULD LEAVE IN THE MORNING?
A AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEDGE, YES, SIR.
Q AND THESE DOCTOR’S TRIPS THAT YOU WOULD TAKE MICHAEL JACKSON TO, THEY OCCURRED DURING THE DAYTIME?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: OVERRULED.
A YES, SIR.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q DOCTOR MURRAY WAS NOT PRESENT DURING THOSE TRIPS?
A NO.
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. CALLS FOR SPECULATION.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q WHILE YOU WERE THERE, DID YOU SEE DOCTOR MURRAY
MR. WALGREN: IN THE VEHICLE OR IN THE DOCTOR’S OFFICE?
MR. CHERNOFF: OKAY. IN THE VEHICLE.
THE COURT: FINE. OVERRULED. YOU MAY ANSWER.
THE WITNESS: NEVER SEEN HIM IN THE VEHICLE.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q AWHEN YOU WENT TO THESE DOCTOR’S OFFICES, YOU NEVER SAW DOCTOR MURRAY SHOW UP AT ANYTIME?
A I NEVER WENT INSIDE ANY OF THE DOCTOR’S OFFICES.
Q DID YOU SEE HIM WHEREVER YOU WERE? DID YOU SEE HIM IN THE PARKING LOT? DID YOU SEE HIM IN THE WAITING ROOM?
A I DIDN’T SEE HIM IN THE PARKING LOT.
Q HAVE YOU EVER PICKED UP PRESCRIPTIONS IN YOUR NAME FOR MICHAEL JACKSON?
A NEVER IN MY NAME, NEVER.
Q BUT YOU PICKED UP PRESCRIPTIONS FOR HIM?
A I PICKED IT UP IN PRINCE AND PARIS AND BLANKET’S NAME. WE WOULD CALL DOCTOR MURRAY IF THE CHILDREN WERE SICK, AND I WOULD PICK IT UP IN THEIR NAME .AND I PICKED IT UP SEVERAL TIMES IN MICHAEL JACKSON’S NAME BUT NEVER IN MY OWN NAME.
Q AND DID YOU EVER PICK IT UP IN THE NAME OF OMAR ARNOLD, FOR INSTANCE?
A NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
Q DID YOU EVER PICK UP PRESCRIPTIONS FROM
MICHAEL JACKSON THAT WERE IN ALIAS NAMES TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?
A NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
Q YOU RECALL PICKING UP PRESCRIPTIONS ONLY FOR
EITHER MICHAEL JACKSON, PARIS, OR PRINCE OR BLANKET?
A SOMETIMES — ONCE I CAN RECALL PICKING IT
UP. I DON’T KNOW WHO IT WAS FROM, BUT I DID PICK IT UP
FROM DOCTOR KLEIN’S OFFICE. BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT NAME IT WAS ON.
Q AND WHEN YOU PICKED UP THESE PRESCRIPTIONS, DID YOU GO TO A PARTICULAR PHARMACY USUALLY?
A IT WAS ONCE, AND IT WAS ON THE BOTTOM OF DOCTOR KLEIN’S OFFICE.
Q I INTERRUPTED YOU. I APOLOGIZE. YOU WERE SAYING?
A IN DOCTOR KLEIN’S BUILDING. I PICKED IT UP ONCE THERE. HE ASKED ME GO PICK IT UP, AND HE DIDN’T TELL ME IT WAS A PRESCRIPTION. BUT IT’S DOCTOR KLEIN’S OFFICE, BUT THAT IS WHAT I FIGURED. I DIDN’T LOOK AT THE NAME. I DIDN’T OPEN IT, AND I DIDN’T
READ IT. AND THAT WAS ONCE.
Q THIS PHARMACY, THIS IS THE MICKEY FINE’S PHARMACY?
A I DON’T KNOW THE NAME,
Q WHEN YOU LEFT VEGAS, WERE YOU PART OF THE
CREW THAT HELPED MOVE OUT THE ITEMS IN THE VEGAS HOUSE?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q WERE YOU WITH MICHAEL JACKSON WHEN HE MOVED OUT OF VEGAS?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE WITH HIM IN VIRGINIA. HOW LONG WERE YOU WITH HIM IN VIRGINIA?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED. YOU SHOULD ALL REMEMBER THIS IS A PROBABLE CAUSE HEARING.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU STAYED APPROXIMATELY FOUR OR FIVE HOURS THERE AT CAROLWOOD?
A I’M NOT SURE. IT WAS LATE WHEN I LEFT. IT WAS DARK WHEN I LEFT.
Q WAS YOUR SECURITY TEAM STILL OPERATING SECURITY AT THAT TIME?
A I RECALL A NEW SECURITY TEAM HAD CAME AND SAID THAT OUR SECURITY TEAM WAS RELIEVED. AND SOMEONE BY THE NAME OF DOCTOR TOME HAD HIRED THIS COMPANY AND OUR TEAM WAS RELIEVED. AND I TOLD THE GUYS, JUST, FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS. LET HIS PEOPLE, , RELIEVE. BUT I WAITED FOR CERTAIN FAMILY TO GET THERE BEFORE I LEFT AND BEFORE FAHEEM LEFT. HE WAS WITH ME, BEFORE WE LEFT AND LET THEM COME ON AND TAKE OVER SECURITY.
Q AND HOW SOON AFTER THE DEATH OF MICHAEL JACKSON DID THIS SWITCH OF SECURITY OCCUR?
A IT WAS JUNE 25, STILL, I BELIEVE.
Q RIGHT. BUT WAS IT IN THE DAYTIME? WAS IT AT 4:00, 5:00, 6:00, 7:00, 10:00?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q WHO IS DOCTOR TOME?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.IT MAY HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, BUT IT IS STILL IRRELEVANT.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q DID YOU KNOW THE SECURITY PERSONNEL THAT TOOK OVER AT THE JACKSON RESIDENCE?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q WHO IS MICHAEL LAPROPE? WHO IS THAT?
A MICHAEL LAPARUK, I BELIEVE.
Q WHO IS THAT?
A HE WAS MR. JACKSON’S SECURITY FOR A BRIEF TIME, I BELIEVE, IN 2007.
Q 2007?
A YES, BEFORE THAT, HE WAS, TOO.
Q WAS HE AT THE HOSPITAL?
A I SEEN HIM OUTSIDE.
Q AT THE HOSPITAL?
A YES
Q WAS HE AT THE CAROLWOOD RESIDENCE?
A NO I DON’T REMEMBER SEEING HIM THERE.
Q DO YOU KNOW HOW HE WOUND UP AT THE HOSPITAL?
A NO IDEA AT ALL.
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE.
THE COURT: OBJECTION SUSTAINED. THE ANSWER IS STRICKEN.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q AFTER THE POLICE LEFT THE CAROLWOOD RESIDENCE, DID YOU LEAVE IMMEDIATELY
A AFTER THE POLICE LEFT THE STATION, I WAITED FOR FAMILY TO GET THERE.
Q THE POLICE WERE ALL GONE BY THE TIME THE FAMILY ARRIVED?
A I BELIEVE IT WAS AT LEAST ONE PERSON THERE I ASKED TO STAY.
Q BUT THE HOUSE WAS SEALED? NOBODY COULD GET IN?
A YES, SIR. WELL, THE HOUSE WAS OPENED. THE
DETECTIVE TOLD ME — I ASKED HIM, ONCE THE FAMILY GETS IN, ARE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO GO IN AND JUST GO IN THE HOUSE? AND HE SAID, “WE ARE ALL DONE HERE. SO YOU CAN LET THEM IN.”
Q POLICE MADE NO LIMITATIONS ON WHAT COULD BE
DONE AT THAT HOUSE? THEY SAID, NO, YOU CAN’T GO UP TO THIS ROOM, OR YOU CAN’T GO UP TO THIS PART?
A NO.
Q THEY JUST SAID YOU CAN GO IN?
A YES,
Q AND THAT IS WHAT THE FAMILY DID?
A I’M NOT SURE WHAT THEY DID. BUT THEY CAME, AND THEN I LEFT.
Q YOU WEREN’T THERE WHEN THEY WENT INTO THE RESIDENCE?
A WHEN THEY ARRIVED, I LEFT.
Q WELL, WERE THEY STANDING OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT WHEN YOU LEFT?
A THEY WALKED IN THE HOUSE.
Q THEY WALKED INSIDE. ALL RIGHT. AND ANY POLICE OFFICERS STAY AT THAT TIME?
A I LEFT. I’M NOT SURE.
Q WERE THERE POLICE OFFICERS WHEN YOU LEFT?
A I BELIEVE THEY CAME. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A
POLICE OFFICER THERE, BUT I DON’T KNOW.
Q OKAY. YOU BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE THERE, OR YOU DON’T KNOW?
A I’M NOT SURE.
Q YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW?
A NO, I REALLY DON’T KNOW.
Q THE ONLY OTHER STATEMENT THAT DOCTOR MURRAY MADE TO YOU BESIDES YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT THE CREAM WAS THAT HE WAS HUNGRY, AND HE WANTED TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT? IS THAT YOUR TESTIMONY?
A CORRECT.
Q ALL RIGHT.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
MR. WALGREN:
Q YOU HAD INDICATED AT SOME POINT YOU MAY HAVE PICKED UP PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION FOR MICHAEL JACKSON?
A YES,
Q IF THAT PRESCRIPTION, BOTTLE WAS FOUND AT THE HOUSE, YOUR PRINTS COULD BE ON THAT, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?
A NOT AT ALL. PRESCRIPTIONS —
Q AND WHY IS THAT?
A WELL, FIRST, IF THEY WERE IN A BAG, I GAVE HIM THE BAG.
Q OKAY.
A AND BESIDES THAT, ANYTHING ELSE, VIAL, ANYTHING, MY FINGERPRINTS COULDN’T BE ON ANYTHING ELSE.
Q YOU HAD BEEN ASKED BY MR. CHERNOFF REGARDING ANY BOTTLES OR THINGS OF MEDICAL PARAPHERNALIA THAT WAS RECOVERED ABOUT YOUR PRINTS BEING ON IT, YOU SAID IMPOSSIBLE. AND WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?
A THERE’S NO CHANCE MY FINGERPRINTS COULD BE ON ANY OF THAT STUFF.
Q WHY IS THAT?
A I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT LET ALONE TOUCH IT. I DIDN’T GO UPSTAIRS.
Q REGARDING THE INTERVIEW ON JUNE 25,2009, AT CAROLWOOD RESIDENCE, YOU DESCRIBED THIS AS A BRIEF INTERVIEW?
A YES, VERY BRIEF.
Q OKAY. IT WAS A FRANTIC SCENE?
A YES,
Q A LOT OF DETECTIVES?
A YES,
Q OKAY. AND YOU BASICALLY GAVE A TIMELINE OF EVENTS. AND DETECTIVES, I ASSUME, WERE TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE?
A YES, SIR.
Q THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WHEN YOU HAD A SIT-DOWN INTERVIEW WITH THE ASSIGNED DETECTIVES ON THE CASE, YOU WERE ABLE TO GIVE A MORE DETAILED STATEMENT TO THE DETECTIVES?
A YES
Q YOU TRIED TO BE AS TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.
MR. CHERNOFF: OBJECTION. LEADING THE WITNESS.
THE COURT: SLIGHTLY. SUSTAINED.
MR. WALGREN:
Q DID YOU TRY TO BE AS TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE?
MR. CHERNOFF: STILL LEADING THE WITNESS.
THE COURT: OVERRULED.
MR. WALGREN:
Q NOW WHEN YOU LEFT UCLA HOSPITAL, YOU MENTIONED TRYING TO BE A DIVERSION. WHAT WAS GOING ON IN YOUR MIND WITH YOU LOADING UP THE ESCALADE’S AND DRIVING AWAY AT THAT TIME?
A WE WALKED THE CHILDREN AND MRS. JACKSON AND HER FAMILY TO WHERE THEIR CARS WERE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE PARKING LOT. AND THEY WERE GETTING READY TO GO HOME. WE TOLD A POLICE OFFICER AND SECURITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IN THE ESCALADE’S AND DRIVE. AND EVERYONE IS GOING TO FOLLOW US LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO AND THINK WE ARE GOING SOMEWHERE WITH THE CHILDREN.
Q AND WHEN YOU SAY EVERYONE FOLLOWS, YOU ARE REFERRING TO PAPARAZZI?
A PAPARAZZI, FANS. WE FIGURED PEOPLE WOULD FOLLOW US.
Q SO YOU WERE BASICALLY ATTEMPTING TO ACT AS A DECOY?
A YES, SIR. WE ATTEMPTED TO.
Q OKAY. AND THAT IS WHY WHEN YOU LEFT, YOU DIDN’T KNOW FOR SURE WHERE YOU WERE GOING BECAUSE YOU WERE TRYING TO BE A DECOY?
A YES
Q WHILE DRIVING, WAS IT AT THAT POINT THAT YOU WERE THEN CALLED?
A WHILE DRIVING, IT COULDN’T HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 10 MINUTES. I WOULD PROBABLY SAY 5. BUT REAL QUICK, SOON AS WE GOT IN THE CAR, I HAD GOT A PHONE CALL.
Q I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT MR. CHERNOFF HAD PRESENTED TO YOU SAID YOU RECOGNIZED THAT AS YOUR PHONE RECORDS?
A YES,
Q IT HAS YOUR NAME MICHAEL WILLIAMS?
A YES.
Q AS WELL AS THE TELEPHONE NUMBER, AREA CODE 562, 881-2570.WAS THAT YOUR PHONE NUMBER ON THE DATES PRECEDING MICHAEL’S DEATH AS WELL AS THE DATE OF JUNE 25, 26 2009?
A YES
Q SECOND PAGE OF THOSE MR. CHERNOFF HAD YOU UNDERLINE A PHONE CALL REFLECTING NUMBER AREA CODE 916, 479-6638.AND I BELIEVE YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOUR RECOGNIZED THE AREA CODE AT LEAST AS THE NUMBER BELONGING TO FAHEEM MUHAMMAD?
A YES
Q DO YOU SEE REFLECTED HERE A 12:15 PHONE CALL WITH THE PHONE NUMBER OF DOCTOR MURRAY?
A YES
Q AND THEN DO YOU SEE FOLLOWING THAT AT 12:16 A PHONE CALL REFLECTING THE PHONE NUMBER OF FAHEEM MUHAMMAD?
A YES.
Q NOW THE NEXT NUMBER, JUNE 25, 2009, AT 12: 18, THIS IS A PHONE CALL MR. CHERNOFF WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT APPEARS TO BE PLACED BEFORE CALLING ALBERTO ALVAREZ.
A I DO.
Q AT 12:18, DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT PHONE NUMBER?
A YES
Q WHOSE NUMBER IS THAT?
A THAT IS DERRICK CLEVELAND. HE ALSO WORKS
SECURITY. AND I FORGOT. I MUST HAVE CALLED HIM FIRST.
HE — I DON’T KNOW. HE LEFT THE PROPERTY. BUT I DON’T
KNOW HOW LONG I SPOKE TO HIM FOR. I DON’T REMEMBER
SPEAKING TO HIM AT ALL.
Q AND THEN THE IMMEDIATE CALL THEREAFTER ALSO
REFLECTING THE SAME TIME AS THE CALL TO DERRICK REFLECTS THE 12:18 CALL. AND IS THAT TO ALBERTO ALVAREZ?
A THAT’S ALBERTO.
MR. WALGREN: THANK YOU.NOTHING FURTHER,.
THE COURT: THANK YOU. MR. CHERNOFF, RECROSS.
RECROSS-EXAMINATION
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU SAID THAT IT COULD NOT BE YOUR FINGERPRINTS.
A WELL, I SAID IT COULDN’T BE MY FINGERPRINTS BECAUSE I NEVER TOUCHED ANYTHING AS TO WHAT YOU ASKED AS FAR AS VIALS OR I BELIEVE YOU SAID I.V.
Q WELL, WHAT YOU SAID WAS YOU DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THE BOTTLES AND THE I.V?
A YES. I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THEM. SO I COULDN’T HAVE TOUCHED THEM.
Q NOW YOU MOVED HIS HOUSE OUT IN VEGAS, DIDN’T YOU?
A YES.
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. RELEVANCE. SAME OBJECTION.
MR. CHERNOFF: THIS HAS OPENED THE DOOR.
MR. WALGREN: SAME OBJECTION.
THE COURT: JUST A MOMENT. I AM GOING TO SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION UNDER350 AND 352. THIS IS A PROBABLE CAUSE HEARING.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q HAVE YOU EVER SEEN VIALS IN MR. JACKSON’S HOUSE BEFORE?
A NO.
Q NOT IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS, RIGHT?
A NO, NOT IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
Q DERRICK CLEVELAND NOW IS THE PERSON YOU CALLED BEFORE ALBERT ALVAREZ?
A I HONESTLY STILL DON’T REMEMBER CALLING HIM. BUT IF THE RECORD SAYS THAT I MUST HAVE CALLED HIM BEFORE I CALLED ALBERTO.
Q YOU DON’T REMEMBER CALLING HIM WHEN YOU TALKED TO THE POLICE AT THE HOSPITAL EITHER?
A NO, I DON’T.
Q YOU DIDN’T REMEMBER CALLING HIM WHEN YOU TALKED TO THE POLICE AT CAROLWOOD?
A DOES IT SHOW HOW LONG I TALKED TO HIM FOR?
Q YES IT DOES.
A I DON’T REMEMBER.
Q IT SAYS A MINUTE.
A NO, I DON’T REMEMBER SPEAKING TO HIM.
Q AND IN FACT, A.T. & T. DOESN’T CHARGE YOU UNLESS YOU CONNECT TO THE CALL, RIGHT?
A YES.
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. BEYOND THE WITNESS’S EXPERTISE.
THE COURT: JUST A MOMENT. YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH BILLING YOU GOT FROMA.T. & T?
THE WITNESS: YEAH. I GET CHARGED FOR EVERYTHING.
THE COURT: OVERRULED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON’T CONNECT WITH THAT PERSON, YOU DON’T EVEN GET — IT’S NOT EVEN ON YOUR PHONE RECORD, IS IT?
A THAT’S BEYOND ME.
Q .LET’S LOOK AT YOUR PHONE RECORD YOU SAID THAT AT 12:12, YOU RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM DOCTOR MURRAY.
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY.
MR. CHERNOFF: 12:13.
THE COURT: THE OBJECTION IS SUSTAINED.
LET’S HAVE THE FULL QUESTION ASKED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q AT 12:13, YOU SAY YOU RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM DOCTOR MURRAY
A CORRECT.
Q AND IS NOT REFLECTED ON YOUR PHONE BILL?
A OK
Q YOU DID NOT CONNECT TO DOCTOR MURRAY, DID YOU?
A EXCUSE ME?
Q YOU DIDN’T CONNECT TO DOCTOR MURRAY? HE
LEFT A VOICEMAIL.
A AT 12:13?
Q THAT’S RIGHT.
A AT 12:13, I MISSED HIS CALL.
Q THERE IS NO PHONE CALL FROM DOCTOR MURRAY
REFLECTED ON THIS PHONE BILL,
A IF I DIDN’T ANSWER IT, IT WOULDN’T SHOW UP.
Q IS THERE ANY PHONE MESSAGE REFLECTED FROM
DOCTOR MURRAY ON THIS PHONE BILL AT 12:13?
A I MISSED HIS CALL AT 12:13.
Q SO THE ANSWER IS NO, IT’S NOT THERE?
A OKAY. SORRY.
Q RIGHT?
THE COURT: WAIT A MINUTE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THERE ALL THESE DOUBLE NEGATIVES FLOATING AROUND
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q SO IT’S NOT ON THE PHONE BILL, RIGHT?
A AT 12:13, NO, SIR, IT’S NOT.
Q BUT DERRICK IS ON THE PHONE BILL?
A AT 12:42 — I MEAN AT 12:18 DERRICK IS ON THE PHONE BILL.
Q AND WHAT ABOUT 12:42?
A AT 12:42, FAHEEM IS ON THE PHONE BILL.
Q AND AT 1:16 A.M?
A THE NEXT DAY?
Q 1:16 A.M. THAT DAY?
A COULD YOU SHOW ME?
THE COURT: 1:16 A.M?
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q RIGHT HERE. 1:16 A.M, DERRICK IS ALSO ON THE PHONE BILL,
A 1:16, YES, SIR.
Q SO YOU CALL HIM TWICE. DON’T REMEMBER UNTIL TODAY UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AT LUNCH,
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. VAGUE. MULTIPLE TIMES?
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q YOU FIRST REMEMBERED IT WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AT LUNCH?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. VAGUE.
MR. CHERNOFF: IT’S NOT VAGUE.
Q IS THAT RIGHT?
MR. WALGREN: THERE IS NO QUESTION PENDING.
THE COURT: I NEED A FULL QUESTION.
MR. CHERNOFF: ALL RIGHT.
Q YOU FIRST REMEMBERED CALLING DERRICK TODAY DURING LUNCH WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY.
HE TESTIFIED HE DOESN’T REMEMBER CALLING.
MR. CHERNOFF: I AM NOT ASKING HIS TESTIMONY. I AM ASKING HIM A QUESTION.
THE COURT: I AM SUSTAINING THE OBJECTION BECAUSE THE WITNESS SAYS HE DOESN’T REMEMBER CALLING. IT’S ON THE PHONE BILL, BUT HE DOESN’T RECALL.
MR. CHERNOFF: THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION.
THE COURT: THEN RE-ASK IT THEN.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q MY QUESTION IS: YOU FIRST REMEMBERED DERRICK TODAY WHEN HE WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION DURING LUNCH, RIGHT?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. VAGUE. “FIRST REMEMBERED DERRICK?”
THE COURT: DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION?
THE WITNESS: COULD YOU ASK IT AGAIN?
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
MR. CHERNOFF: SURE.
Q DURING YOUR TESTIMONY ON REDIRECT, YOU SAID
THAT YOU REMEMBERED — YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOU ACTUALLY CALLED DERRICK BEFORE CALLING ALBERTO ALVAREZ, RIGHT?
A CORRECT.
Q RIGHT.AND BEFORE LUNCH WHEN YOU WERE ASKED THE
QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU CALLED SOMEONE, YOU DIDN’T REMEMBER ANYBODY, ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
A YES, YOU SHOWED ME A PHONE RECORD OF 1:16 WHICH WAS WHEN WE WAS COMING BACK FROM THE STAPLES CENTER.I MUST HAVE CALLED DERRICK TO MAKE SURE HE WAS ON TIME, AND WE WERE COMING IN. THAT WAS 1:16 A.M. THE DAY WHEN MICHAEL WAS STILL WITH US. AND I WAS DRIVING WITH HIM. SO I AM NOT GOING TO REMEMBER CALLING HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT HE’S ADVANCED. BUT I SEE THE PHONE RECORDS. SO I CALLED HIM. AND I CALLED HIM AFTER I CALLED DOCTOR MURRAY AT 12:15 AS THE PHONE RECORD SAYS. BUT I DON’T REMEMBER — I DID NOT REMEMBER CALLING HIM AT ALL TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
Q UNTIL SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AT LUNCH TODAY?
MR. WALGREN: OBJECTION. MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED. HE DOESN’T RECALL. HE IS RELYING ON THE
PHONE RECORDS? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
THE WITNESS: YES, SIR.
THE COURT: THAT IS THE ANSWER.
MR. CHERNOFF:
Q DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION DURING LUNCH WITH ANYBODY ABOUT YOUR PHONE RECORDS?
A EXCUSE ME?
Q DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION DURING LUNCH WITH ANYBODY ABOUT YOUR PHONE RECORDS?
A IN HERE, THE D.A. DID SHOW ME THE PHONE RECORD.
MR. CHERNOFF: I WILL PASS THE WITNESS.
THE COURT: MR. CHERNOFF, THANK YOU.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
MR. WALGREN:
Q JUST BEFORE YOU RESUMED THE STAND, I SHOWED YOU THE PHONE RECORDS. I SHOWED YOU THE PARTICULAR PHONE NUMBER THAT MR. CHERNOFF HAD REFERENCED, AND I ASKED YOU IF YOU RECOGNIZED THAT PHONE NUMBER, CORRECT?
A THAT IS CORRECT.
Q AND YOU TOLD ME, YES, I RECOGNIZE THAT AS DERRICK CLEVELAND?
A CORRECT.
MR. WALGREN: THANK YOU. NOTHING FURTHER.
THE COURT: MR. WALGREN, THANK YOU .RERECROSS, MR. CHERNOFF?
MR. CHERNOFF: NO.
THE COURT: THANK YOU. MAY MR. WILLIAMS STEP DOWN AND BE EXCUSED,MR. WALGREN?
MR. WALGREN: YES, PLEASE, YOUR HONOR.
THE COURT: MR. CHERNOFF, OKAY?
MR. CHERNOFF: YES, PLEASE.
THE COURT: MR. WILLIAMS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. SIR, PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS YOUR TESTIMONY OR THE FACTS OF CASE WITH ANY OTHER WITNESSES UNTIL YOU ARE PERMITTED TO DO SO THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS PRELIMINARY HEARING.
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